i see your involved with ndra i need to havepics looked at of the rear on my car to know if its legal for turbo 4 class the rear is mounted in all stock location (no ladderbars)but i run a coilover and the shock is not mouted to stock location the wheel well was to small to fit the tire and a coil over so i repositoned the shock your rules say coilovers alowed but never said anything about location i dont know how to post pics on here but i can send them to u personally can u give me a email name i wanna get it cleared to i dont travel and then told my car is not legal for a shock loc!

 

Post the pics.

 

Pics?

 

If its not mounted in the stock location it's probably illegal. Even the P4C cars have to have the shock mounted in the stock location. The rules in that class are still pretty lose, but Im sure they'll be cracking down on that.

 

pics

 

cary the rules are loose doesnt say about the shock mounting point in a starlet the shock is in the wheel well and theres not room in there in the first place to fit a decent size tire im trying to keep the car safe and will not rig my car up but its a 100% street legal all interior,radio,loghts,blinkers,high beams horn, everything and im hoping this will not elimnate me from running a street class becouse if it does i will get pushed to oulaw and a high 9.90 car is no where near we3lcome there and im all into the heads up scene if i can send the pics to someone so they can post them here it would be great im not to good with comps


mike

 

Im sure Glenn will post and let you know

good luck

 

can anyone help with posting the pics

 

http://www.imagestation.com/

register there dosn't take to long then uplaod the pics then post the.

 

email them to me, sixtydashone@aol.com, ill host em

 

here you go

 

If this set up is legal than would i be able to run narrowed independent rear suspension on my front wheel drive.

 

In Turbo4 you must run the stock rear end. I don't think that is stock? There was some dude at the Brad., FL NDRA race last year that qualified #1 with some old school Starlet...with a 8.8 Ford rearend in it.....how he got past tech was beyond me. He went out first round, so I never had to race him, but I thought that was kind of BS. If I have to run a bone stock transmission/driveline, the old school cars need to as well.

ZEX Man

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZEX Man &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In Turbo4 you must run the stock rear end. I don't think that is stock? There was some dude at the Brad., FL NDRA race last year that qualified #1 with some old school Starlet...with a 8.8 Ford rearend in it.....how he got past tech was beyond me. He went out first round, so I never had to race him, but I thought that was kind of BS. If I have to run a bone stock transmission/driveline, the old school cars need to as well.

ZEX Man</TD></TR></TABLE>

Amen!

 

haha.. that rear end is bad ***.. car looks like it hauls *** and gets squirly in a hurry.

 

zex man the rules say stock rear end its not a aftermarket rear end its a oem ford 8.8 if id run a stock starlet rear id kill myself do u run stock axels in your car hubs i f u do i know for a fact other turbo 4 cars dont its safty its not like i have a fab9 or some high dolloar rear its oem and mounts to oem location so what would be the problem its safty why i did it for myself and the guy next to me and dragsol what kind of ques is that can i run a narow rear in your car my rear is not narrow my rear is all oem specs and mounting points ecept the shocks look at pic again before u jump into sayin things the rules are very loose im not looking to cheat or dominate but for my safty this car is registerd ins and driven on the streets stero and all so why would it not be a street car

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nos3tc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> zex man the rules say stock rear end its not a aftermarket rear end its a oem ford 8.8 if id run a stock starlet rear id kill myself do u run stock axels in your car hubs i f u do i know for a fact other turbo 4 cars dont its safty its not like i have a fab9 or some high dolloar rear its oem and mounts to oem location so what would be the problem its safty why i did it for myself and the guy next to me and dragsol what kind of ques is that can i run a narow rear in your car my rear is not narrow my rear is all oem specs and mounting points ecept the shocks look at pic again before u jump into sayin things the rules are very loose im not looking to cheat or dominate but for my safty this car is registerd ins and driven on the streets stero and all so why would it not be a street car</TD></TR></TABLE>

You failed english 101, didn't you? periods and commas are your friend!

 

im not here for my english im here to race like everyone else my english dont win races

 

Wheres Glenn...............he needs to tell this guy whether his car is legal or not........I believe that's all he wants to know.

 

carey bales nice car to i just looked at some pics of it

 

thanks

its sold though.............I just dont want to let go of her yet

 

Glen only works m-f. He will be back in on monday.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nos3tc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> zex man the rules say stock rear end its not a aftermarket rear end its a oem ford 8.8 if id run a stock starlet rear id kill myself do u run stock axels in your car hubs i f u do i know for a fact other turbo 4 cars dont its safty its not like i have a fab9 or some high dolloar rear its oem and mounts to oem location so what would be the problem its safty why i did it for myself and the guy next to me and dragsol what kind of ques is that can i run a narow rear in your car my rear is not narrow my rear is all oem specs and mounting points ecept the shocks look at pic again before u jump into sayin things the rules are very loose im not looking to cheat or dominate but for my safty this car is registerd ins and driven on the streets stero and all so why would it not be a street car</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you are reading way too much into the rules. There is what is stated and then there is the intent of the rule. Having run the Turbo4 (Power4) class for 4 years, I understand what they mean when they say "stock". First NIRA, now NDRA has always equated the term "stock" with O.E.M. Now, it is NDRA's decision to alter the interpretation of the term "stock" if they so chose, but "stock" has ALWAYS meant O.E.M. since the inception of the street classes. Don't get me wrong, I hope you put together a legal car and come join us....the Turbo4 class is going to be a blast this year. I just think you need to look at the history of how the rules have been interpreted over the years before you assume equipment on your car is legal. Bottom line, call NDRA tech or let Glenn from NDRA post here with the official interpretation of the rule. As far as using performance axle assemblies in FWD street class cars, there are no rules against it, and there is a history of acceptance in the T4 class for their use. You can upgrade the internals of your stock rearend housing with stronger components, i.e. axles, etc., but I think it is outside the intent of the rules to assume, as an example, bolting in a "stock" Dana 60 out of a "stock" hemi Cuda is legal.

ZEX Man

 

i see what your saying but stock would mean oem and as long as it mounts stock whats the problem u run a lsd in your tranny,stronger axels,and hubs the only company that makes anything for a stock starlet raer is trd and its not for str8 line wouldnt u be mad if i rigged the car and ended up hitting you and both cars be a loss or letting me run somewhat what i have and we safe?im not saying u are wrong but u can find parts everywhere for your tranny axels etc to upgrade i cant and i need to werk with what i can why eliminate me for it or maybe make a head up class for cars like mine becouse everyone knows im not the only one with this problem the old school cars that started this sport are getting kicked to the curb every year anyways this was a ques for grg not trying to start and argument or fight with anyone just wanna run a street heads up class and be safe

mike

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nos3tc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i see what your saying but stock would mean oem and as long as it mounts stock whats the problem u run a lsd in your tranny,stronger axels,and hubs the only company that makes anything for a stock starlet raer is trd and its not for str8 line wouldnt u be mad if i rigged the car and ended up hitting you and both cars be a loss or letting me run somewhat what i have and we safe?im not saying u are wrong but u can find parts everywhere for your tranny axels etc to upgrade i cant and i need to werk with what i can why eliminate me for it or maybe make a head up class for cars like mine becouse everyone knows im not the only one with this problem the old school cars that started this sport are getting kicked to the curb every year anyways this was a ques for grg not trying to start and argument or fight with anyone just wanna run a street heads up class and be safe

mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

I understand the point you are trying to make, but you make the choice to race a vehicle that, in stock/OEM form, has very few modifications available for the driveline. I have a ton of money invested in modified OEM components to get my driveline to live and be safe. Not much of it is off the shelf, but it is all legal under the current interpretation of the NDRA rules. The single biggest issue in the street classes and the main performance issue to overcome is driveline breakage. If the old school cars were allowed to run non-oem rearends, it would create a situation where a small minority of vehicles would have a huge performance advantage. I still remember some old school cars back at Englishtown, 4 years ago, that were running 9.60's and were totally legal for the street classes, with the exception of the non-stock rear-ends.

ZEX Man