Well since we hear all this info that Eagles are bad becuase of the Rod bolts.I was looking thru the new Dragsport and i dont know if this is a missprint or what but the Pauters are listed with 5/16 bolts too. is this a missprint?

 

I remember earl saying in a post that the bolt size is the same, but the ones in the Pauters are a lot stronger.

Edit: here it is:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They do come with 5/16" bolt but you must understand that this bolt has MUCH more tensle strength than the 3/8" bolt in Eagle Rods or Crower rods. This is an extremely expensive bolt and was incorporated in that rod in order to save weight. Most B16 Pauter rods wind up in Baja class cars that must run a B16 motor. Those guys require a bad *** rod that will take a beating and live and they all use Pauters.
You must remember there are $2 bolts and there are $20 BOLTS</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well since we hear all this info that Eagles are bad becuase of the Rod bolts.I was looking thru the new Dragsport and i dont know if this is a missprint or what but the Pauters are listed with 5/16 bolts too. is this a missprint?</TD></TR></TABLE>

there are stronger bolts available for ealge rods and these blots can be torqued higher.

 

the tq requirements ar the same according tothat article. matter of fact some of the 3/8 bolts are the same requiements too. So ARP bolts are cheap?. the whole mess from my searches everyone was saying the rod bolts were junk because the size and only needing 28ft lbs.

 

maybe they are reffering to bolts where threads need to be resized.. i'm talking about custom age 625 that should be the same size but can be torqued higher.. you will need to resize rods but bolts should be the same.. its an upgrade available for 100 dollars when you purchase eagle rods.

 

Eagles are Carillo knock offs. The design is wonderful, the rod bolt as already pointed out is inadequate above certain already established power levels.

 

I've seen 5/16" bolts with 25lb torque spec and 5/16 bolts at 45lb spec

 

I actually have my Pauter work order right here in front of me and it says 50ft/lbs for the torque spec.

-Ryan

 

You guys just don't get that it's not the torque on the nut that makes a rod hold together, do you?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiR Kid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys just don't get that it's not the torque on the nut that makes a rod hold together, do you?</TD></TR></TABLE>

from all the past arguements it seems so .
like i said i saw the article on the diff rods and figured it was good info , i can count numerous posts where a ton of people on here are like ohhhh dont get em , they only have 5/16 bolts, and only 28ft lbs . why would you run a rod that only needs 28ft lbs . lol.

 

My eagle rods came with arp bolts. Are they good are bad??

 

again from the above arguements it sounds like they are bad .

 

I dont believe that Eagle rods are bad under 400 whp ... you are talking about thing for a really hardcore engine IMO...

 

The more torque you can apply to a bolt without it stretching out of control, the higher the quality of the bolt.

 

like i said unless its a missprint, Dragsport showed most of the bolts being tq'ed to the same or right around the same levels on the Pauter rods, and the new Carillo;s i beleive too and i believe another one .

 

Pauter is badass!! Got some for my GSR

 

Well i know of 2 cars personally running over 580 HP running eagle rods!!! I wanna know how many people actually blew motors becasue of the rods???

 

FWIW, I spoke with a tech from Eagle just the other day. ALL of their VTEC B series rods will now come standard with 3/8" ARP fasteners. They say its due to popular demand based on feedback from customers...weird, they always had it as an option so couldnt the customer just buy the "optional" rod? Kinda makes me think.

Take this as you like. I never had a problem with any of the Eagles Ive built motors with using both the 3/8 and the 5/16.

 

been boosting 300+whp 240tq, for a year w/ bog standard eagles...no probs...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The more torque you can apply to a bolt without it stretching out of control, the higher the quality of the bolt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly the point I was making. I understand that the big torque #'s don't always mean better holding but it speaks margins for the bolt quality.

-Ryan

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kwuaymaikrup &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Exactly the point I was making. I understand that the big torque #'s don't always mean better holding but it speaks margins for the bolt quality.

-Ryan</TD></TR></TABLE>

If it's the BOLT'S fault, and the BOLT is weak, then why aren't you naysayers bashing ARP for putting out a weaksauce rodbolt in the first place?!!?

 

itr206 arent you making big power with stock eagle rods ???

to be honest im scared to use my eagle rods , they are the reason i havent finished rebuilding my engine yet ....

 

I know a guy around here thats making almost 600hp on eagle rods daily driven and has no problem with them.

 

My old set up had Eagle rods 500whp 25psi, no problems with the rods at all BUT when I did the new set up I just spent extra money on the bolts to be certain I had no problems, I bought Pauter rods. Now keep in mind the Pauter B16A rods are 5/16 bolt while the GSR are 3/8 bolts. See my old post here

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=529188

 

I know a guy who makes 400+ hp on eagles daily driven/circut track.

Has ANYONE heard of the eagles+3/8 ARPs failing?