https://honda-tech.com/zero...otify


I'm linking this in here because many won't see it in the sponsor's forum. There has been some discussion on these in the past so I thought there may be some interest.

For those who don't have the motivation to fabricate their own - this one is actually made for LHD applications unlike the JDM products on the market.


Jeff - who could make a fortune with a machine shop and a truckload of aluminum

 

Nothing that couldnt be "solved" (although i'm still trying to figure out what exactly the problem is... ) by pulling apart the booster and reinforcing it, which is ultimately the source of "flex".

Although this is just another product on the long list of things people buy to "reduce flex" in their cars for "str33t p3rf0rmaNcE", you know for going up steep driveways and all.

 

It seems like the brace is a bad idea...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=556902

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing that couldnt be "solved" (although i'm still trying to figure out what exactly the problem is... ) by pulling apart the booster and reinforcing it, which is ultimately the source of "flex".

Although this is just another product on the long list of things people buy to "reduce flex" in their cars for "str33t p3rf0rmaNcE", you know for going up steep driveways and all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You sure about that? The b00ster itself flexing, or is the firewall?

Me thinks it's the firewall....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StageOne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems like the brace is a bad idea...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=556902

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yeah...and you know how many times that car has been wrecked and put back together????

exactly....

 

The thread said 2 different braces on 3 different cars.

 

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yeah...and you know how many times that car has been wrecked and put back together????
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Yah...almost as many times as yo...ahhh...forget it....t00 easy

 

Almost as many times? More like .... a quarter of the times that....

 

Depends on j00r definition of "almost"

kinda like, my car is "almost" back together

how many days left?

 

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kinda like, my car is "almost" back together
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"Almost" sounds closer than where I am. I'm hoping the OEM parts ordered overnight arrive today so I can start thinking about actually putting the engine in the car.

 

I own that exact MC brace. The flex that is being refered to is the firewall flexing towards the front of the car, upwards of .5+ inches under heavy braking. the brace is mounted to the shock tower and will not allow the MC to move forward via the firewall flexing. I had a couple of evolution Instructors in my car who had driven other R's and they could not believe now much more responsive my brakes were. I personally think it is a great mod

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlapSmak &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I own that exact MC brace. The flex that is being refered to is the firewall flexing towards the front of the car, upwards of .5+ inches under heavy braking. the brace is mounted to the shock tower and will not allow the MC to move forward via the firewall flexing... </TD></TR></TABLE>

...and instead puts that force onto the shock tower...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how many days left?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not enough?

I dunno, i took the dust sheilds off and flush brake fluid yesterday, all i have to do is install the baffled oil pan and mount tires and i'm ready

 

shock tower is not going anywhere... fire wall, thin *** honda sheet metal, lots of flex! Not sure how any one thinks the flex could come from anywhere other than the fire wall.

-nate

 

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Do you use a shock tower brace? If it's not going anywhere then why bother?

Just food for thought...

 

...and the fitting on the end of the m/c becomes a load-bearing element? Even in compression - hmm. I'd love to see how the "1/2 inch of flex" data was collected. I'm not saying that having the pedal kit move around is a GOOD thing but...

Kirk

 

have someone press the brake pedal in ANY car and watch the MC move.

now stand on the engine and push on the shock tower , then tell me how the hell a small brace is causing it to deflect.

...sometimes you guys hate stuff just because it looks pretty , I swear.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Doctor CorteZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have someone press the brake pedal in ANY car and watch the MC move.

now stand on the engine and push on the shock tower , then tell me how the hell a small brace is causing it to deflect.

...sometimes you guys hate stuff just because it looks pretty , I swear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What is it Lassie, what are you trying to say?

*clueless*

I wasn't hatin'....

 

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what are you trying to say?

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I just cant believe anyone with a brain would think that a MC brace could flex a shocktower , and I cant understand why people think these things are crap.

number one rule in any racecar is to minimize deflection , how can these things be bad ?

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I wasn't hatin'....</TD></TR></TABLE>

you know you arent included in my general rant about these people that hate everything.

 

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It still doesnt stop the car faster

And if the deflection is not minimized, just merely transferred elseswhere, then you're back where you started, no?

 

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perhaps the same way a few pounds of pressure on a pedal could stop a 3,000 lb car? Hydraulic force, mechanical advantage, leverage etc.

&lt;- no opinion either way, just playing devils advocate.

 

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It still doesnt stop the car faster

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Well.. To be nit-picky...

If you measure "stopping ability" simply in terms of braking torque, then you're correct...

But, if you consider that stopping distance factors in the time the driver begins to apply pedal pressure... Assuming that the brace actually makes the pedal-to-MC lever more efficient, then you will build braking force "faster" than you would if some of the pedal travel was taken up by firewall flex.

 

I think we all posess the required footspeed to lock up instantly if we stomp on the pedal.

Seems like if there is flex it would be good for feel but not much else.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiLooksStock &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think we all posess the required footspeed to lock up instantly if we stomp on the pedal.

Seems like if there is flex it would be good for feel but not much else.

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But then I would argue 2 things:

1) Nothing happens instantly, particularly at speed, and...
2) When racing, pedal modulation is key, and a stiff pedal system could improve that... Not "how fast can you mash the brakes..."

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by allenp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2) When racing, pedal modulation is key, and a stiff pedal system could improve that... Not "how fast can you mash the brakes..."</TD></TR></TABLE>
ding ding!

People often forget that its not just the ability for the brakes to reach the point of lockup, but also it requires the ability for the driver to modulate those brakes to maintain them at that limit.

Also to take into account are spikes and variances in brake forces. A "stiffer" brake setup will have a flat brake force, where a "softer" brake setup may spike or dip the brake force. (seperate from driver input)