can it be done w. a b17 motor w. Type R internals and under $4000? and as far as a header, 4-2-1 or 4-1 , which would be best for all motor application? if this can be done please let me know how and what it would most likely cost, and it will be w. all brand new OEM parts if i stay w. the Type R stuff....and thank you in advance

 

not with all OEM stuff. but yes it can be done.

 

For about $2500 you can build it for turbo and turbcharge it and have a screamer.

 

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He said he wants ALL MOTOR He wants a challenge
Go into the All motor board and search for omnimans B16 build up were he made around 205 whp something many said would not happen.

 

by OEM parts i mean internals(block and head) but things like aftermarket header, intake, exhaust, FPR, and possibly a Intake mani, with that i should be good to go right?

 

Why go all motor? I mean is that just a personal preff?

 

because i need it for a daily driver...and i dont really wanna boost...i want the challenge of all motor

 

block and head are not internals, pistons/rods/crank = internals

 

build an all motor making 200hp with &lt;12:1 compression and your ready to roll for 2 or so years

 

well i mean everything is new to me in the b-series world....i mean there is technically internals in teh head and block...thats what i mean by that....but im sayin all Type R stuff...cept rods and crank...cause im not sure about that stuff...thats why im posting, tryin to get info together

 

challenge? wtf....speed is speed, no matter what you got. Turbo's can be very reliable if you know what your doing

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=700324

There is the link to the 200whp b16 I plan on doing the same thing here soon. They use OEM parts for the bottom end, but the head is built. I plan to take it little farther then they did and hope for a bit more.

 

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yeah Challenge. Turbo you slap on and your done. There is nothing to it. All motor takes a lot more work to get good power. Some of us like the all motor scream

 

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Both can be vary reliable and both can be vary unreliable, it all depends on who built it and how its treated.
If anybody told you one is more reliable then the other smack them in the face cause they dont know what they are talking about.
Pic your personal preference and if you do it right it will last.

 

so if built w. a high CR it will only last 2 years? i want it to last til im ready for something new....or is that just your experience on it? neone else got any input on that comment?

 

still need to know about the header...and wether its worth buying a intake manifold most likely the JG Victor X...but i need input...thank you

 

If the car will be predominantly daily driven, but taken to the track a bit, a turbo setup may be the better option. If you were to run a dual stage boost setup, you can run low boost (say 5-7 lbs or something) for day to day, and flick it up for the track. At low boost, reliability will not be an issue, and if set up correctly, neither should it be at high boost. Something to think about.

 

the option of boost is way down the road...like after my son is about 2 years old, as for now i wanna work with all motor cause thats what i can afford...and all motor i can drop in my car over a weekend and be driving on the following monday....where as a turbo may take some time to get tuned properly to where i can drive it daily, but then again im not sure what im talking about...i just know turbos take some tuning and what not

 

NA and boost both need tuning.
High comp doesnt need rebuilding after 2 years unless beat on but if you use pistons with gas ports you will need to rebuild often.

 

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So far best NA manifold seems to be the AEBS IM and it can be had around $150-70.

 

you don't need 12:1 + to make 200 whp. They did it on less, and from a b16. It'd be much easier though to sell your b17 bottom end and get an LS and use that as your base though.

 

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WTF!? Why do you guys keep on insisting on turbo when the man wants NA. I would go NA as well. I am planning a LSVTEC setup in a couple of months after my D series build is done. You can go with OEM bottom end balanced crank with CTR pistons and a thin layerd head gasket should put you around 12.1 cr. And build the head with P&P with Rev or Skunk2 valvetrain I would go with Rev it is less expensive since Ive heard Skunk2's are just relabled Supertechs. I would also go with RSmachines or Skunk2 cams. And you would also want to go with a 4-2-1 header which is better for torque. And still be well under $3k

 

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I'm trying to decide which manifold to use also. I heard the Victor X is so big it actually loses power on most NA applications. Just something to think about. Anyone have any input on this?

 

what is an AEBS intake manifold, where can i see and read on it?

 

you can use type-r pistons (either CTR or ITR) get a good intake manifold like AEBS (search EBAY) or Skunk2. as for a header you need AT LEAST a JDM DC 4-1 header with a 2.5 inch collector. but if you have the money get an ANR or a SMSP header. Hytech and TODA are awesome headers also but they all cost $300+ with the hytech around 900-1300 depending on what style you get. raise that compression to at least 12.1:1 unless you feel like doing head work. My current setup im working on is a GSR block with CTR pistons, ITR rods, B16 head with Rocket Motorsports cams, Skunk2 intake manifold, and some mild headwork on the head. im shooting for 200whp an ill be tuning with just a VAFC. we'll se what happens. good luck