im looking into putting a frankenstein motor (H22 with a H23 block) in my 1990 accord. the f22 tranny is coming out as well. what all will i need, other than the motor of corse. will i need differant motor mounts, axles, shift linkage, exahust ect...


Modified by blindguardian37 at 4:59 AM 2/11/2004


Modified by blindguardian37 at 5:02 AM 2/11/2004

 

Gee thats pretty vague here how about this umm you need everything besides the motor.

 

Well first of all Frankenstein is B-18--B-16...but as far as your question goes yes to all especially since the tranny is coming out too...

 

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how is a frankenstein motor only limited to a ls/vtec motor that you speak of? Frankenstein is a term for when you swap on different heads onto different blocks.

And why would he need all those different things? Since he is putting it into a 4th gen, all stock mounts can be used, along with the shift linkage and axles. At most he will have to get the downpipe rewelded to bolt up to the accord cat, depending on what header he goes with.

This is why ppl hate H-T you rag on all the noobies, like they are complete fucktards, why don't u keep in mind you were once a noobie too asking about pink corner light bulbs, and which pearl sparkle paint goes better with your racing stripes.

I mean **** the guy asked an honest question, yeah it might have been covered before, but give him a break he could be new to web boards. Atleast point him towards the search function, instead of pulling bullshit out of your ***, and giving him the wrong answers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddiebx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is a frankenstein motor only limited to a ls/vtec motor that you speak of? Frankenstein is a term for when you swap on different heads onto different blocks.

And why would he need all those different things? Since he is putting it into a 4th gen, all stock mounts can be used, along with the shift linkage and axles. At most he will have to get the downpipe rewelded to bolt up to the accord cat, depending on what header he goes with.

This is why ppl hate H-T you rag on all the noobies, like they are complete fucktards, why don't u keep in mind you were once a noobie too asking about pink corner light bulbs, and which pearl sparkle paint goes better with your racing stripes.

I mean **** the guy asked an honest question, yeah it might have been covered before, but give him a break he could be new to web boards. Atleast point him towards the search function, instead of pulling bullshit out of your ***, and giving him the wrong answers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your an idiot, everybody knows HT is where the Honda gods live.

 

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Your an idiot, everybody knows HT is where the Honda gods live. </TD></TR></TABLE>

maybe so... but its also home for whiney people who believe they are better than everyone else.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FatJoe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe so... but its also home for whiney people who believe they are better than everyone else.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Every forum has whiney people, HT knows their STUFF!!!

 

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maybe so... but its also home for whiney people who believe they are better than everyone else.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey chief how is what i said saying that i am better than anyone..check yourself before you type..and i agree that newbies do get ragged on at first but that is why it is advised to read the rules before you post..as far as frankenstein being a term for head swapping as far as i have ever know it was only for ls/vtec swaps but thanks for the info if it is for all head swaps....and if you think that i am pulling everything out of my *** read my sig and stop by the show then you can cretique.

This is directed toward Eddiebx


Modified by bagged93accord at 1:39 PM 2/11/2004

 

am i supposed to be impressed that your car you describe in you sig sits an inch of the ground at manhole cover scrapping height with suicide doors that you can't even open using your hands and OMG dear I say, NINETEEN INCH RIMS!

I am not knocking on the fact that your car is what seems to be a show car, but personally I don't like show and think all those mods you have are hideous. But let me make this clear, thats my opinion and only my opinion, honestly if thats your thing than more power to you. But me I rather keep it sleeper. To each his own.

How is it that I state you are pulling **** out ur ***? Tell me one thing you said that was correct in your post to his reply? If you aren't sure don't spread the wrong info, thats how most of the people end up getting assed out of a **** load of money, cuz they waste their money listening to the halfassed advice they get from people that don't have a clue what they are talking about.

 

Im not even going to start..i will let you go ahead and scroll to the top of the page and check out what he asked if he needed..when you realize that he will indeed need most of that then you will understand that i am not talking out of my a@s..but if you think that because i didnt list out everything he needs, and that means that i dont know what i am talking about..ask some of the other HT members that I usually only speak when i know..good by .. glad to hear you like sleepers.. not my thing but thats. kewl..

 

bagged93accord -

You told him that he would need everything that he WOULDN'T need.

 

so you are telling me that he needs the top and bottom and drop it in..?

...sarcasm...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bagged93accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so you are telling me that he needs the top and bottom and drop it in..?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Idiot

 

yeah i did read the original post, mebbe your the one that needs to use the search function. Unless your really do think you need, new mounts, shift linkages, axles and everything that you said he will need.

But since it seems you have a wealth of knowledge, enlighten us on how to properly do this H23/vtec head swap into a 4th gen. Cuz I am just a nooob at all this.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddiebx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">am i supposed to be impressed that your car you describe in you sig sits an inch of the ground at manhole cover scrapping height with suicide doors that you can't even open using your hands and OMG dear I say, NINETEEN INCH RIMS!

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddiebx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am not knocking on the fact that your car is what seems to be a show car, but personally I don't like show and think all those mods you have are hideous. But let me make this clear, thats my opinion and only my opinion, honestly if thats your thing than more power to you. But me I rather keep it sleeper. To each his own.
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You just did

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Maybe he didn't know, and maybe he should have not posted but he did...and you guys rag on him All I gotta say is this thread is getting OT very quickly because ONE person makes an incorrect comment simply correct him/her and solve the creators question. I love leading by example and rag on other members But as far as I know frankenstien motor is just mix matched parts IE h22 block with h23 head, same with f22a block with f22b head, the parts should be interchangable however may or maynot net the longest lived engine. (Hope this helps ) And this in no way is coming off as being a smart *** but sometimes people are wrong in their posts and if a person corrects them, continue the thread.

Edit: This thread will probably get locked and the creator won't even get his answer because some people can't STFU

 

I'm interested in hearing it as well.

 

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i think this **** needs to go elsewhere, you guys are getting bent out of shape over some little misunderstanding

 

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You just did

Maybe he didn't know, and maybe he should have not posted but he did...and you guys rag on him All I gotta say is this thread is getting OT very quickly because ONE person makes an incorrect comment simply correct him/her and solve the creators question. I love leading by example and rag on other members But as far as I know frankenstien motor is just mix matched parts IE h22 block with h23 head, same with f22a block with f22b head, the parts should be interchangable however may or maynot net the longest lived engine. (Hope this helps ) And this in no way is coming off as being a smart *** but sometimes people are wrong in their posts and if a person corrects them, continue the thread. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I did correct him and told him he was wrong about what the guy needs, but it seems its not getting through to him that he is wrong. He speaks of dropping an h22/23 into a 4th gen as if I was trying to shove b16 into a yugo. When infact its a pretty straight foward drop in using pretty much all stock parts, except for the engine of course.

And yes some frankenstein setups aren't as reliable and some are reliable like stock. The LS/vtecs and B20/vtecs are cool, but from experience, the h23/22 frankenstien its just too weak and really not worth the gains. Try and spin more than 7000rpm with that setup, and you have yourself a fubared block,

 

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Edit: This thread will probably get locked and the creator won't even get his answer because some people can't STFU</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually if you read my first post on this thread i answered the kids question

 

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I did correct him and told him he was wrong about what the guy needs, but it seems its not getting through to him that he is wrong. He speaks of dropping an h22/23 into a 4th gen as if I was trying to shove b16 into a yugo. When infact its a pretty straight foward drop in using pretty much all stock parts, except for the engine of course.
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Ok then thats fine...but this wasn't all directed towards you, everyone else is chiming in adding fuel to the fire, so lets move on with thread. ::group hug::

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And yes some frankenstein setups aren't as reliable and some are reliable like stock. The LS/vtecs and B20/vtecs are cool, but from experience, the h23/22 frankenstien its just too weak and really not worth the gains. Try and spin more than 7000rpm with that setup, and you have yourself a fubared block, </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree, and I don't know the reasoning behind it (anyone like to enlighten on this?)but if you have the parts for a h23/22 just make sure and don't go over 6500 or 7K and it will be ok, if you don't have the parts go with a straight h22 non-frankenstien engine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddiebx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">am i supposed to be impressed that your car you describe in you sig sits an inch of the ground at manhole cover scrapping height with suicide doors that you can't even open using your hands and OMG dear I say, NINETEEN INCH RIMS!

I am not knocking on the fact that your car is what seems to be a show car, but personally I don't like show and think all those mods you have are hideous. But let me make this clear, thats my opinion and only my opinion, honestly if thats your thing than more power to you. But me I rather keep it sleeper. To each his own.

How is it that I state you are pulling **** out ur ***? Tell me one thing you said that was correct in your post to his reply? If you aren't sure don't spread the wrong info, thats how most of the people end up getting assed out of a **** load of money, cuz they waste their money listening to the halfassed advice they get from people that don't have a clue what they are talking about.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I swear, some people forget to take their Ritalin in the morning.

Waaay back, like 5 yrs ago, when somebody discovered that the B16 head was compatable with the B18B block they dubbed it a Frankenstein motor. That term was used for a while until Crvtec's and other combo's were discovered. Some people that were old school and have now been out of the scene for a while(for a reason) still refer to only the Lsvtec as the Frankenstein motor.

But anyways, on with the tech info for the poor dude that got caught in the middle of a cat fight, lol.

 

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I agree, and I don't know the reasoning behind it (anyone like to enlighten on this?)but if you have the parts for a h23/22 just make sure and don't go over 6500 or 7K and it will be ok, if you don't have the parts go with a straight h22 non-frankenstien engine. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I am not completey sure what causes the h23 cranks to break like toothpicks, but its probably a combination of it being a weaker crank and the longer stroke, it's most likely not the balancing, cuz i've seen perfectly rebalanced cranks snap in 3 pieces on these applications. So who knows,

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=510617

found this link through that magical button in the top-right corner we call "search".

 

everyone back to cool operating temp now....lets get back to the bar not the barfight

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jwogen1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everyone back to cool operating temp now....lets get back to the bar not the barfight </TD></TR></TABLE>

Free beers on me...for everyone..now every one chill