Im poor, Im a teenager. And im about to do my swap, I was going to run my B16A1 OBD0 swap with my stock 90 Integra tranny. Someone said that even if I redline every time I would fall out of Vtec when I shift, not that big of a deal, but I was mainly wondering what peoples oppionions were of this setup(mainly those that have done it).

 

to be honest b16 with a ls tranni will be slow...the b16 has no tourque to pull it through the long ls gears...i would either leave the b18 in there till you have enough for engine and tranni...or put b16 in and get the a decent tranni soon...

i belive the b16 will be slow with that ls tranni

hope this help...

 

Thats what I was thinking also. Bump for more

 

I've got a B16 in my G3 GSR, and it's still lacking pull with the GSR tranny. The B16/ITR tranny is ideal for this application as the shorter gears won't allow the revs to drop and keep you higher in your tq. curve. The LS tranny isn't deathly slow, but when 3rd gear comes around, you'll def. feel it. Most of the B series 1st and 2nd gears are very close ratio wise, 3rd and up is where the difference is made. Save your loot until you can afford the full swap. You can find a first gen B16 swap with tranny, ecu, etc for a little over a grand if you look in the right places. Til then, keep the B18.

 

there is no point in swapping a b16 in a g2 with a ls tranny!!! go with the b18

 

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Thanks
I am not dumb don't tell me what to do, My B18A has 170K miles on it and this mod will give me the highest resale value compared to other stuff I was thinking of doing.

 

bump

 

ttt

 

I don't see why everyone is against the B16 with an LS tranny....sure it's not going to be the same, but, it's not going to be that gawd awful.

Do what you want...

 

you'll hate yourself if you do lots of daily driving.

Put the b16 head on the LS block.

 

i have a LS tranny on a b16 and it pulls harder than the LS motor did still. sure its not as fast as with a b16 trans but its not agonizingly slow like some people are ASSUMING

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SilverCIVIC96 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you'll hate yourself if you do lots of daily driving.

Put the b16 head on the LS block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

*sigh* Reading comprehension is one of the most under rated things in todays society. Did I ask about building an LS/Vtec?

 

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Put the b16 head on the LS block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i speak from experience when i say the weakness isnt daily driving, its highway racing. 1st and 2nd are just fine, it pulls harner than the LS does. but once u get into the 3rd the gears just take forever. BUT its still faster than an LS. dont make assumptions unless youve done it.

 

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so is spelling...

stop gettin all bitchy when u asked what our opinions are of ur setup...

id go ahead and do what u want, swap the motor now and save for a tranny, or wait and find a tranny and do everything at once

 

just "put it on"! its as simple as that!

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Put the b16 head on the LS block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Torque is what accelerates your car and the longer you stay at peak torque, the longer you are maximizing acceleration. Furthermore, low displacement motors need to use short gears to make-up for the lack of torque output. So what does this mean to this topic?

First of all, the LS tranny is going to drop you out of your b16 powerband after every shift making you slower. Why? Basically because you're going to spend additional time revving your motor so that you can reach your peak torque. If you're not at peak torque, you're not accelerating which also means you're not going any faster.

Second, low displacement motors like ours need to rely on our tranny to put down increased torque to the ground. Our little 1.6L-1.8Ls make up low torque with short gears and higher final drives. The LS tranny has long gears and a low FD (as compared to GSRs+ and Si's) which is not exactly what we want when we have little torque. =[

Combine a narrow powerband motor, with a tranny that drops you out of peak torque, plus a gutless motor with long gears is going to equate to making you slow. Period. I have a friend with a b16 w/ a LS tranny in his 92 teg and he lost almost all the time against his brother who has a b18. Trust me, gearing and powerband play very important roles.

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Yes the b16 is going to pull harder than the LS but only at high RPMs but again you're not really accelerating when you drop out of your powerband after every shift and it doesn't help when your gears are also long. =[



Modified by Nexx at 10:54 AM 2/9/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nexx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Torque is what accelerates your car and the longer you stay at peak torque, the longer you are maximizing acceleration. Furthermore, low displacement motors need to use short gears to make-up for the lack of torque output. So what does this mean to this topic?

First of all, the LS tranny is going to drop you out of your b16 powerband after every shift making you slower. Why? Basically because you're going to spend additional time revving your motor so that you can reach your peak torque. If you're not at peak torque, you're not accelerating which also means you're not going any faster.

Second, low displacement motors like ours need to rely on our tranny to put down increased torque to the ground. Our little 1.6L-1.8Ls make up low torque with short gears and higher final drives. The LS tranny has long gears and a low FD (as compared to GSRs+ and Si's) which is not exactly what we want when we have little torque. =[

Combine a narrow powerband motor, with a tranny that drops you out of peak torque, plus a gutless car with long gears is going to equate to making you slow. Period. I have a friend with a b16 w/ a LS tranny in his 92 teg and he lost almost all the time against his brother who has a b18. Trust me, gearing and powerband play very important roles.

Yes the b16 is going to pull harder than the LS but only at high RPMs but again you're not really accelerating when you drop out of your powerband after every shift and it doesn't help when your gears are also long. =[
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I knoq the ls tranny is too long for the b16. im not arguing that. im fully aware that a b16 tranny would improve accelration considerably. But I was just saying that its not as bad as alot of people think. with more mods it might hurt. but in stock form or with simple mods, it makes a difference but not a HUGE one. either way, it will be faster than the LS motor......BUT on the other hand, he has a DA, where cable b16 sweaps can be had for a grand. it would be WELL worth his while to save the extra 500 up and get that.

 

Pulls harder eh? Which reminds me of the time after I installed my intake: I swear my car pulled harder and faster than it ever did before... but then again, it might have just been the sound. =P Yeah, GSRs with i/h/c/e aren't considered fast. =[

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nexx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pulls harder eh? Which reminds me of the time after I installed my intake: I swear my car pulled harder and faster than it ever did before... but then again, it might have just been the sound. =P Yeah, GSRs with i/h/c/e aren't considered fast. =[

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nah my boy would alway sput 3 cars on me in his SER, i put the b16 in and i put 2 on him......and somehow i nanaged to beat a ITR 3 times in a row.......but imsure it was a ricer driver or somethin because i was in disbelif myself. but anyways, a b16 with ls tranny definately pulls harder than a straight ls.

 

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I knoq the ls tranny is too long for the b16. im not arguing that. im fully aware that a b16 tranny would improve accelration considerably. But I was just saying that its not as bad as alot of people think. with more mods it might hurt. but in stock form or with simple mods, it makes a difference but not a HUGE one. either way, it will be faster than the LS motor......BUT on the other hand, he has a DA, where cable b16 sweaps can be had for a grand. it would be WELL worth his while to save the extra 500 up and get that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes. You're right. It's not as bad as what everyone thinks (could have been worst, he might not have a usable car at all) but if he's thinking about being quick with that mightly VTEC badge on his motor, he's not going anywhere "fast" with that tranny.

However, I would have to disagree with you on the part about being fast (using a b16 w/ the LS tranny) versus a LS motor teg. Both cars were stock besides intake and exhaust and at the end, the LS motor teg always took the b16/ls tranny from the beginning to the end. But you know, it was only the quarter-mile, i'm pretty sure the b16 would start walking once it went beyond 90+ mph.

I don't have a b16 w/ a LS tranny in my integra so your experience will take a stronger stance but when we look at the technical side of the situation: on average the b16 with the LS tranny will lose in a quartermile dash to a b18b if both motors are inside the same cars with relatively equal weight with equally skilled drivers.

 

Keep the b18 in there til u get a diff tranny...unless you want to pull out the tranny at a later date. I test drove a 91 LS with a fresh b16 swap with the stock tranny...it was awfully slow. At the time I had my old 92 cx with a d16z6, and it was bad first b-series experience for me. It was unbelievably slower than my hatch.

When I was driving it, I was just staring and waiting for the car to hit 5k rpms or so, so I could get some kind of power...shifting was dreadful, it meant that I had to wait for the 5k mark again...and again...just think of 'creeping' up the speedometer

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nihonjin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Keep the b18 in there til u get a diff tranny...unless you want to pull out the tranny at a later date. I test drove a 91 LS with a fresh b16 swap with the stock tranny...it was awfully slow. At the time I had my old 92 cx with a d16z6, and it was bad first b-series experience for me. It was unbelievably slower than my hatch.

When I was driving it, I was just staring and waiting for the car to hit 5k rpms or so, so I could get some kind of power...shifting was dreadful, it meant that I had to wait for the 5k mark again...and again...just think of 'creeping' up the speedometer </TD></TR></TABLE>

it must be rthe cable LS trannys gearing being worse than a hydros or something, because my civic is in now shape for form slower than a sohc hatch. eveyr shift i would land at 5-5500, so i only had to wait 500rpms or so to get back into vtec. now if i had a lower vtec engagement it might not be bad, because i have 1st gen cams but a 2nd gen jdm ecu.