wassup my fellow HT members.... i am currently in the process in building my LS motor... i am starting off with a bare LS head... i just wanted to know if CROWER was the only ones that made cams for the non-vtec.... are they worth it if they are.. if they arent the only ones... who else makes them... and also... what kind of valve train would you recommend.. this is my 1st LS build... so i am sort of new to it.. can someone please help me build my head...price is not a problem since its for my car..

 

crower are hands down the best cams for your ls.
i belive crane makes ls cams and web can custom make your ls cams to your desire. as far as valvetrain stick with the the crower the spring rate on them is good for 10rpm, i belive manley,ferrea also makes ls valvetrain.
also if your set on not getting a vtec head which will make the most power for the least amount of money then i would suggest you sleeve your block to 84-85mm high compression pistons or maybe switch over to a b20 block with high compression pistons, before you start working on the head.

 

i think im just going to keep it all LS for now... no block or head swaps.. turbo will be on the way after my motor is built... which crowers work the best for the ls.. i was thinking stage 2's... i am hoping to be hitting low 15's with the new head... its going to be p&p and 3 angle valve job... i have no idea what i run now.. but heres what i have on my motor so far..


SKUNK 2 INTAKE MANIFOLD
SKUNK 2 CAM GEARS
DC 4-2-1 HEADER
AEM COLD AIR INTAKE
RSR EXMAG CAT BACK SYSTEM
APEXI SAFC
KUMHO 195/55/14

MY CAR HAS NOT BEEN TUNED YET.. IF I GET IT TUNED.. WILL IT MAKE BIG DIFFERENCE?

 

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Crower 403's are popular among the LS'ers around here. Im planning to get them for my 93

Edit: I dunno what year LS you have, crower might have different numbers for the newer LS motors, but the 403's for a 93 integra are considered "Stage 2". Street/Strip cam.

 

Do more research. Read Read Read. Turboing with N/A cams will complete suck. Get turbo cams if you are going to turbo down the road, but it might not help you much in the meantime. Set a goal and reach it, don't take tangent routes and waste your money.

 

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Yes, turboing with All Motor cams will not be good. Too much lift, not enough duration. Anyway....your title is confusing. You're building your head for All motor, yet you want to turbo later?

Anyway, I'd spend more time working on your block since your head is off. The block is much more important than the head in turbo applications. A stock Honda head can handle A LOT...and I mean A LOT of power. Nothing in there can really break. High EGT temperatures can melt valves, but they'll do a lot worse damage on your block before that happens.

That said.....I have heard people with turbos running Crower 403's and they said the power gain is very good. Even better than Crower's turbo specific 402T cams. Go figure.

 

You need to do research as well. You want lift and not duration on Turbo cars.

 

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That said.....I have heard people with turbos running Crower 403's and they said the power gain is very good. Even better than Crower's turbo specific 402T cams. Go figure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

takes a good tuner or some reasearch, but its very doable...

 

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That's what I meant.....seriously.

 

the overlap is the real killer... you can't dial all of it out but you can get most of it.... regardless, the 403's on a turbo setup will make quite impressive power if proerly tuned.