Who says you can't boost a stock H22???
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If you ever had any doubts about turbo..
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (Jason kiDD)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Daemione »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I give his ringlands about 2 weeks . . . .</TD></TR></TABLE>
that what i was thinking, i've heard about people blowing them at 10psi....
that what i was thinking, i've heard about people blowing them at 10psi....
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (Jason kiDD)
A word to you out there who think they can do what he has done... Read his modifications list. He has done his homework and has PROPERLY tuned the car with the AEM EMS. The only corners he cut was redoing his internals.
Honestly, I would like to see if the motor is still running like that in 3 months. And also keep in mind he is only running this motor for the time being... meaning he has a rebuilt motor that will be going in soon.
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.
Honestly, I would like to see if the motor is still running like that in 3 months. And also keep in mind he is only running this motor for the time being... meaning he has a rebuilt motor that will be going in soon.
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (PrecisionH23a)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A word to you out there who think they can do what he has done... Read his modifications list. He has done his homework and has PROPERLY tuned the car with the AEM EMS. The only corners he cut was redoing his internals.
Honestly, I would like to see if the motor is still running like that in 3 months. And also keep in mind he is only running this motor for the time being... meaning he has a rebuilt motor that will be going in soon.
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol yeah i know some guys like that...i plan on running 7psi..when do the ringlands typically go? (at what whp)
Honestly, I would like to see if the motor is still running like that in 3 months. And also keep in mind he is only running this motor for the time being... meaning he has a rebuilt motor that will be going in soon.
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol yeah i know some guys like that...i plan on running 7psi..when do the ringlands typically go? (at what whp)
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (PrecisionH23a)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well we need some entertainment around here.
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well we need some entertainment around here.
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (95 lude)
Another thing for you guys out there, keep note to the car was very conservatively tuned. Meaning he was probably not running a large amount of timing. By doing so he keeps cylinder pressures down which will put less stress on the actual ringlands on the pistons and the other internal components.
AEM EMS is the real deal stand-alone. Like I said he has another motor that will replace this one coming shortly and if this one does go I really don't think that matters to him. So basically, if you have a DD I would advise against doing what he has already done.
AEM EMS is the real deal stand-alone. Like I said he has another motor that will replace this one coming shortly and if this one does go I really don't think that matters to him. So basically, if you have a DD I would advise against doing what he has already done.
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (satan_srv)
i can assure you all that the car is tuned right. i think it will last as long as he wants it too.
on a completly stock motor you will lift the head before you blow the rings. get some headstuds and tune it good and it will be all good
on a completly stock motor you will lift the head before you blow the rings. get some headstuds and tune it good and it will be all good
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (sharkcohen)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sharkcohen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hrmmm, yah, I know of plenty of people that have fried their ringlands without ever having lifted the head.</TD></TR></TABLE>
95% of the time fried ring lands are due to detonation/bad tuning.
95% of the time fried ring lands are due to detonation/bad tuning.
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (PrecisionH23a)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A word to you out there who think they can do what he has done... Read his modifications list. He has done his homework and has PROPERLY tuned the car with the AEM EMS. The only corners he cut was redoing his internals.
Honestly, I would like to see if the motor is still running like that in 3 months. And also keep in mind he is only running this motor for the time being... meaning he has a rebuilt motor that will be going in soon.
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea this is just for race track only, just how he states he tuned it for 14lbs on race gas = 100 oct. Not your normal pump gas **** you will find at your neigborhood mobil. Its just like the allmotor guys claiming to street drive a 13:5 comp. Motor. But in reality they cant hit WOT or else it would die and it is so damn detuned that its turned the car retarded. That right there is not a street car in no way or means. You gotta hit WOT on pump gas for it to be. SOrry for mubbling on.
Honestly, I would like to see if the motor is still running like that in 3 months. And also keep in mind he is only running this motor for the time being... meaning he has a rebuilt motor that will be going in soon.
I like to see guys that push the limits, but it honestly paves the path for other members to 'think' they can get away with this kind of stuff with an afc and some dsm injectors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea this is just for race track only, just how he states he tuned it for 14lbs on race gas = 100 oct. Not your normal pump gas **** you will find at your neigborhood mobil. Its just like the allmotor guys claiming to street drive a 13:5 comp. Motor. But in reality they cant hit WOT or else it would die and it is so damn detuned that its turned the car retarded. That right there is not a street car in no way or means. You gotta hit WOT on pump gas for it to be. SOrry for mubbling on.
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (JDogg)
YOU DON'T NEED A BOV!!!!!! why the hell do all of you guys bug out about BOV's? you do not need one....... on the street its a good idea for turbo durability, but you don't NEED one, the guy I work for (see below avatar) has been in the turbo game FORTY YEARS everytime i mention a blow off valve he starts bitching about how you dont need them,....... we don't run one on my car, and don't run one on the 2500hp twin turbo hemi car, which has cylinderheads alone worth more than anyones car on here......... and both motors are fine, BOV's are just something the aftermarket did, and it caught on with manufacturers etc..........
Anyway........ i agree, the ringlands are shitty on h22/h23's i expect you'll have a shitload of blowby and eventually a torched motor
Anyway........ i agree, the ringlands are shitty on h22/h23's i expect you'll have a shitload of blowby and eventually a torched motor
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (spoolinlude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoolinlude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyway........ i agree, the ringlands are shitty on h22/h23's i expect you'll have a shitload of blowby and eventually a torched motor</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep, I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.
A lot of people do not fully understand the concept of the BOV. Running a BOV does not cause any internal stress on a motor. Instead it causes compressor surge on the actual turbo. When shifting the throttle plate in the throttle body closes so the pressurized air inside of the IC pipes have no where to go but back to the actual compressor outlet of the turbo after it reflects off of the closed throttle plate. This puts increased pressure on the turbo's bearings when it is trying to flow the air in an opposite direction. A blow off valve lets the pressurized air out of the system and thus helps to increase the lifespan of a turbo. A ball bearing turbo actually can withstand a little stress in relation with compressor surge.
Yep, I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.
A lot of people do not fully understand the concept of the BOV. Running a BOV does not cause any internal stress on a motor. Instead it causes compressor surge on the actual turbo. When shifting the throttle plate in the throttle body closes so the pressurized air inside of the IC pipes have no where to go but back to the actual compressor outlet of the turbo after it reflects off of the closed throttle plate. This puts increased pressure on the turbo's bearings when it is trying to flow the air in an opposite direction. A blow off valve lets the pressurized air out of the system and thus helps to increase the lifespan of a turbo. A ball bearing turbo actually can withstand a little stress in relation with compressor surge.
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (JDogg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDogg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">95% of the time fried ring lands are due to detonation/bad tuning.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, this is true.
Incidently, I don't have fried pistons, but I lifted my head :laugh:
Yes, this is true.
Incidently, I don't have fried pistons, but I lifted my head :laugh:
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The AEM EMS has a lot of other features that the hondata s200 does not have.... like boost controller and tons of other things.
http://www.aempower.com
http://www.hondata.com
Just go to both sites and compare.
http://www.aempower.com
http://www.hondata.com
Just go to both sites and compare.
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (PrecisionH23a)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...so the pressurized air inside of the IC pipes have no where to go but back to the actual compressor outlet of the turbo after it reflects off of the closed throttle plate. This puts increased pressure on the turbo's bearings when it is trying to flow the air in an opposite direction...</TD></TR></TABLE>
= compressor knock
With the BOVs you can get recirculating or Atmospheric dump valves (BOVs)
I'd like to see how long the engine is going to last.
Althoug one observation that no one has seemed to notice is that it is a JDM engine. & probably Closed deck!
= compressor knock
With the BOVs you can get recirculating or Atmospheric dump valves (BOVs)
I'd like to see how long the engine is going to last.
Althoug one observation that no one has seemed to notice is that it is a JDM engine. & probably Closed deck!
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (spoolinlude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoolinlude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YOU DON'T NEED A BOV!!!!!! why the hell do all of you guys bug out about BOV's? you do not need one....... on the street its a good idea for turbo durability, but you don't NEED one,</TD></TR></TABLE>
You answered your own question: for turbo durability. Why NOT use one?
You say it's just an aftermarket fad, which the majority of them ARE, but it's a fad that does serve a purpose. Do you think ALL of the car manufacturers that put a BOV on their factory-turbo car did it to waste some more cash? Nope. They did it because it helps prolong the life of the turbo.
So back to my question: why NOT use one? If it won't hurt you in any measurable way, but it will increase the life of that $600 turbo, then why would you not want to?
You answered your own question: for turbo durability. Why NOT use one?
You say it's just an aftermarket fad, which the majority of them ARE, but it's a fad that does serve a purpose. Do you think ALL of the car manufacturers that put a BOV on their factory-turbo car did it to waste some more cash? Nope. They did it because it helps prolong the life of the turbo.
So back to my question: why NOT use one? If it won't hurt you in any measurable way, but it will increase the life of that $600 turbo, then why would you not want to?
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Re: If you ever had any doubts about turbo.. (LudeyKrus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeyKrus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You answered your own question: for turbo durability. Why NOT use one?
You say it's just an aftermarket fad, which the majority of them ARE, but it's a fad that does serve a purpose. Do you think ALL of the car manufacturers that put a BOV on their factory-turbo car did it to waste some more cash? Nope. They did it because it helps prolong the life of the turbo.
So back to my question: why NOT use one? If it won't hurt you in any measurable way, but it will increase the life of that $600 turbo, then why would you not want to?</TD></TR></TABLE>
bov is not a f-ing fad. if the air isn't displaced throught the bov the compressor cannont spin freely, which mean psi drops and damage to the compressor wheel, plus is one of the reason for shaft play in shaft driven turbo.
You answered your own question: for turbo durability. Why NOT use one?
You say it's just an aftermarket fad, which the majority of them ARE, but it's a fad that does serve a purpose. Do you think ALL of the car manufacturers that put a BOV on their factory-turbo car did it to waste some more cash? Nope. They did it because it helps prolong the life of the turbo.
So back to my question: why NOT use one? If it won't hurt you in any measurable way, but it will increase the life of that $600 turbo, then why would you not want to?</TD></TR></TABLE>
bov is not a f-ing fad. if the air isn't displaced throught the bov the compressor cannont spin freely, which mean psi drops and damage to the compressor wheel, plus is one of the reason for shaft play in shaft driven turbo.