THE brake thread...too many missinformed. (long)
Just this week alone I have seen about 9 (10 now!) of the same brake threads...so just to help everyone, post here about the swaps. Please do not post if you have not done the actual swaps, that's how all this missinformation spreads.
For starters, Honda is in the business to save money, and in this case using same parts between models saves. Therefor I'll say that ALL brake kits are interchangable from any civic or integra for '88 to '01 ( ed, ee, ef, eg, eh, em, da, db, dc and whatever chassis I missed) with the approriate pieces included.. no you can't throw gsr calipers on your civic knuckles and expect them to just bolt on, but you can however, utilize the whole knuckle/hub assembly and make out fine.
The rear disc brakes on Hondas have been the same forever (except DA piston caliper bore is about 1/16" bigger). When swapping out the rear brakes, I always use the original Lower control arms (LCA's) and toe links. If the model is the same, i.e. civic to civic, teg to teg, for the same generation, (some civc/teg swaps are ok) you can swap the rear lca's that have provisions for a rear swaybar. You will need the appropriate e-brake cables to the model of your car that had disc brakes originally.
The front brakes are where the upgrade really shines. Like mentioned earlier, calipers are not a bolt on affair (why would you want just them?) If you use the whole complete front knuckle assembly you will be fine. I again, use the upper A arms and LCA's from the original car.
When perfomring these swaps it's also a good idea to get the the donor brake master cylinder, proportioning valve, and if possible, the brake booster in order to use the brakes to their full potential.
Some people will dissagree with me on the swaps, but most have not done them or done them right. For example...
I am running 91 integra GS 4 wheel discs on my 91 CRX SI and absolutely love them. In this case some people will argue since the steering knuckle is taller for the integras...true, but unless your car is slammed 6 inches or somewhere like that, you will have no clearance (or caster) problems. So ef guys, dont worry all the swaps work for you too.
My 97 type R is currently rocking a 90 LS integra swap due to the fact that it was a theft recovery with no suspension. the brakes, being 7 years older, were a direct fit and provide me a way to move the car around. I posted earlier this week to a thread about EGs using DA brakes. Sure, go ahead..we put em on my friends 94 cx a few months back.
The most important and safe factor about these swaps (and one the nay-sayers never do) would be a proper 4 wheel alignment when done. To do this you should get all the neccesarry camber adjustment kits in order for your car to achieve optimal handling. Another thing to consider before slapping all you rhard earned cash down is, wheels. With the larger brakes form an integra GSR now on your civic dx, those litlle 14" CRX wheels won't cut it. Be aware of wheel offsets and backspacing as well as spoke design before you purchase.
Well enough rambling, please post your experiences as well as other insights that I am sure I have missed.
-hans->
*Cliff Notes*-----just a what can/can't be done to swap brakes between models. Trying to cut back on the missinformation.
For starters, Honda is in the business to save money, and in this case using same parts between models saves. Therefor I'll say that ALL brake kits are interchangable from any civic or integra for '88 to '01 ( ed, ee, ef, eg, eh, em, da, db, dc and whatever chassis I missed) with the approriate pieces included.. no you can't throw gsr calipers on your civic knuckles and expect them to just bolt on, but you can however, utilize the whole knuckle/hub assembly and make out fine.
The rear disc brakes on Hondas have been the same forever (except DA piston caliper bore is about 1/16" bigger). When swapping out the rear brakes, I always use the original Lower control arms (LCA's) and toe links. If the model is the same, i.e. civic to civic, teg to teg, for the same generation, (some civc/teg swaps are ok) you can swap the rear lca's that have provisions for a rear swaybar. You will need the appropriate e-brake cables to the model of your car that had disc brakes originally.
The front brakes are where the upgrade really shines. Like mentioned earlier, calipers are not a bolt on affair (why would you want just them?) If you use the whole complete front knuckle assembly you will be fine. I again, use the upper A arms and LCA's from the original car.
When perfomring these swaps it's also a good idea to get the the donor brake master cylinder, proportioning valve, and if possible, the brake booster in order to use the brakes to their full potential.
Some people will dissagree with me on the swaps, but most have not done them or done them right. For example...
I am running 91 integra GS 4 wheel discs on my 91 CRX SI and absolutely love them. In this case some people will argue since the steering knuckle is taller for the integras...true, but unless your car is slammed 6 inches or somewhere like that, you will have no clearance (or caster) problems. So ef guys, dont worry all the swaps work for you too.
My 97 type R is currently rocking a 90 LS integra swap due to the fact that it was a theft recovery with no suspension. the brakes, being 7 years older, were a direct fit and provide me a way to move the car around. I posted earlier this week to a thread about EGs using DA brakes. Sure, go ahead..we put em on my friends 94 cx a few months back.
The most important and safe factor about these swaps (and one the nay-sayers never do) would be a proper 4 wheel alignment when done. To do this you should get all the neccesarry camber adjustment kits in order for your car to achieve optimal handling. Another thing to consider before slapping all you rhard earned cash down is, wheels. With the larger brakes form an integra GSR now on your civic dx, those litlle 14" CRX wheels won't cut it. Be aware of wheel offsets and backspacing as well as spoke design before you purchase.
Well enough rambling, please post your experiences as well as other insights that I am sure I have missed.
-hans->*Cliff Notes*-----just a what can/can't be done to swap brakes between models. Trying to cut back on the missinformation.
is the brake booster necessary for rear disk swaps? I did a rear disk swap w/ 00 Si rear brakes. I only changed the MC and Prop Valve. Will my stock DX brake booster still work fine w/ the rear disks?
I don't think the booster is as neccesarry as the mc and pv. The difference is in the size of the mc and how the fluid is distributed to the rear. How do your brakes feel now?
good read, nice info. But, you can put 14 inch wheels on GSR front brakes, I've done it. I noticed you said 14 inch CRX rims. Are those different than other honda 14 inch wheels. I'm not trying to sound like an ***, just trying to learn some more stuff...
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Ya man, I was refering to those and generally speaking in regards to checking clearance overall. When I put them on my CRX and drove down the street (not very far!) i took them off to see a few "choice" grooves carved right in them..I should have said that 14" integra wheels fit, I'm rolling on LS steelies.
I was just about to do a search to find out what I needed to put GSR calipers on my Civic, went into the EG Civic forum and it was right here already.
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