I'm currently debating whether to go w/ a slightly used pair of Tein HA's or GC/Koni's or GC/AGX. The tein's and GC/Koni's will run about the same, while the GC/AGX will run about $200 cheaper. What's everyone's opinions on these combos?

I've heard that the tein's need to get overhauled or something after a while? And also that I should get upper pillowball mounts for the teins. WHat's the pillowball mounts for?

 

I have GC/Koni and love them use them for daily drive/auto-x/track. Best part about the GC/Koni combo is ease of service it need be.

 

Gc/Koni's

 

tein fo sho

 

.... 2 v 1 so far... that doesn't help much... haha. I don't really think i've ever heard anything bad about GC/Koni's, but i do remember reading stuff here and there about the tein's... man, what to do? what to do?

also, what else is everyone dropped on, how much of a drop, and do you have any camber problems?

 

Don't half -***...Tein HA

 

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Tein Ha's are really hard to find due to the discontinuance of them, so i wouldn't pass em up

 

so what are the pillowball mounts for? what do they do? are they important? those things are $400, dangit! that cost more than the camber kits.

 

I've got GC/Koni yellows with front Ingalls camber kit. Only problem is dialing in 1/2 degree negative camber on the front with the car being lowered 1.75". The car handles great, though, and launches much better with 0 degree camber and the lsd. The Koni shocks are built to last, and re-builds are not too expensive. With the GC set-up, you can replace the Eibach springs if you decide to do some serious autocrossing or road racing. I don't know much about Tein, but a lot of people like them.

 

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Tein Ha's are really hard to find due to the discontinuance of them, so i wouldn't pass em up </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats exactly why i would pass them up. if one goes you have to replace all four vice two.

 

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thats exactly why i would pass them up. if one goes you have to replace all four vice two. </TD></TR></TABLE>

no u can get then rebuilt also. and you can get stiffer sping rates also. do what u want who cares..

i wanted a awsome setup so i have the HAs,

 

Tein&gt;GC/Koni&gt;GC/AGX

there's nothing like true coil-overs. for the same price, i'd go with tein.

 

i'm starting to lean more to tein's, just b/c they're tein's, but we'll see. I'm just worried about camber.

Can I use a base model camber kit on my SH? Or are there SH specific camber kits out there? What brand camber kits are out there, and what's the best brand in everyone's opinions? And what did they run everyone? From my research so far, they go for about $300 for both front and rear.

 

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Can I use a base model camber kit on my SH? Or are there SH specific camber kits out there? What brand camber kits are out there, and what's the best brand in everyone's opinions? And what did they run everyone? From my research so far, they go for about $300 for both front and rear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

camber, LOL if your worried about that then donot lower your car, thats like saying you want performance suspention but donot like haveing a harsh ride. Ur going to get negative camber no matter what, ive had my TEIN HAs on for 2 1/2 years no aligement and im still running strong on the same tires with very little wear. Cambers good for handleing unless your all show no go

 

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camber, LOL if your worried about that then donot lower your car, thats like saying you want performance suspention but donot like haveing a harsh ride. Ur going to get negative camber no matter what, ive had my TEIN HAs on for 2 1/2 years no aligement and im still running strong on the same tires with very little wear. Cambers good for handleing unless your all show no go</TD></TR></TABLE>

how much are you lowered? i know that there is gonna be some camber, i just don't want it so bad that I'm gonna be replacing tires constantly.

 

i'm on tein SS w/ no alignment or camber kit.

not much tire wear either.

 

it depends on your budget and application too, i went with neuspeed and koni because i was looking for mostly performance


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how much are you lowered? i know that there is gonna be some camber, i just don't want it so bad that I'm gonna be replacing tires constantly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im on OEM rims with no finger gap, i have no clue how much im lowered, but your tires should last u at least 30k, if you baby them u could get alot more miles if you abuse them less.

if its that bad they u have to replace tires then u might have something else wrong, the tires should last at least 2 yrs. If you drive your car after lowering and it pulls to one side really badly get a aligement. id worry about the toe being off more then camber

 

Your so close to Teins...I would go with them. NOt just from the money stand point but also that they are true coilovers and GC are just slip over coilovers. I have GC'S and I wish I had teins. THe money I spent on shocks and the GC'S..I could have gone with Teins.

I just think they are worth it.

 

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everyone has this problem where they feel that tein's are the end all and be all of suspension set ups. they're nice, don't get me wrong, but a GC Koni setup is just as formidable.

things i'd worry about with the teins: rust/maintenance. they're not full chromoly like the JIC's, they're not teflon coated like some others, they are merely painted. the paint can chip and the shock bodies can rust if you're not careful.

also, with the old tein kits, as you go lower, you lose shock travel which makes your suspension less effective. not sure if you'd want to go through the process but you can get koni's revalved and shortened to run with any custom GC spring rate for about the same price as a JIC FLT-a2 setup.

and, if you're going with a tein HA setup, it means you're making a comfort sacrifice for performance. with the 12kg/mm F and 8kg/mm spring rates you get with an HA set up (i think it's 12 and 8, not 100%) i hope you like the spring rates exactly as they are. with a GC setup you can get whatever spring rates you want from GC direct for free or for an extra $50 or something like that.

i don't want to push the GC+Koni thing too much, because they aren't paying me to sell the suspension . personally i'm getting the BC racing spec dampers so i feel like i'm fairly objective in this. anyway, this was the greatest testament to GC/Koni: it seems like 70% of the road racers are all on the same suspension...

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not sure about SH vs Base, but you're looking for the SPC ball joint camber kit if you ARE going to get a camber kit. Camber wear is a little overhyped, because that's not the major cause of tire wear after lowering. Unlike a couple of very lucky posters in this thread, when you lower your car you usually need to get the suspension realigned and make sure that you have 0 toe. toe is what kills your tires. camber wear, not so much.

btw if you do get coilovers, it seems like a waste if you aren't going to get an alignment and a cornerweighting, it's like buying a VAFC and "tuning it yourself"--you're basically bending yourself over by buying a $1500 suspension and using it like $150 lowering springs...

 

Tein's

 

No complaints on my GC/AGX

 

definitely go with teins

 

I like the color GREEN , go with the TEINS. On the other hand, seems like both setups have pros and cons, but are both praised pretty highly by those who have the setups. Go with your instinct, since you won't be dissapointed with the performance of either of them.

 

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if you're going with a tein HA setup, it means you're making a comfort sacrifice for performance. with the 12kg/mm F and 8kg/mm spring rates you get with an HA set up (i think it's 12 and 8, not 100%) i hope you like the spring rates exactly as they are. with a GC setup you can get whatever spring rates you want from GC direct for free or for an extra $50 or something like that. ..</TD></TR></TABLE>

u are wrong u can get stiffer springs for the TEINs just not alot of people do it. Also the comfort level is good with the tein HAs remember they have a helper spring on there. I allways thought the ss was stiffer being i have the HAs and im very confortable.