Agbar Technologies handles the emissions programs for all of these states and I am assuming that they are all the same, so my question is:

Are there any Hybrid owners in these states that have passed the OBD test for emissions?

My state (which runs under the Agbar Program) requires that an OBD test is performed to 1996 and newer vehicles. I have a 98 Civic with a JDM ITR motor and JDM ITR ECU.

Well, I went to one of the service stations today and the car failed. The service station guy got pissed off that it failed and gave me a hard time about it. He was so flustered that he pretty much told me to go somewhere else and have it done there. Needless to say, I was NOT charged for the test, but I did not receive the paperwork stating why the car failed.

I knew that the OBD test was not going to go well and I explained this to guy when I walked in the door. I just want to get the car on the dyno and have them run the tailpipe sniffer. If they do it this way, the car will pass and I am 99% sure of it.

The problem is that the computer system does not allow them to just run the tailpipe test first. There has to be a problem communicating with the ECU in order to run the tailpipe test. Since my ECU communicated, but failed, they will not just do the tailpipe test.

In my mind, the motor is a '99 and it has a little over 20k on it, so it can't be polluting the air any more than the next car. I would just say "f@#$ them," but if you don't pass emissions, they'll pull the registration on the car.

If your state runs the same way and you have a JDM motor, please explain what happened in your case. I really need to know what my plan of attack is going to be.

 

Oh CRap!, I too would like to know about this! (I'm in TN) I have the exact same motor & ECU but have until April to get it tested for the first time.
But...I had a little idea...maybe there is a way to disconnect the plug, or something like that, so that the guy will test it and it won't "communicate" with the ECU, then he'll have to sniff it. I have not really heard of anyone doing this, but I decided I'd throw it out there anyway.

 

I wish I had until April. I am looking at a few weeks at most.

Someone out there had to have done this?

 

I had the emission test done in Ma. last year. I transplanted a JDM H22 into my '94 Accord. I just made sure all the emission stuff was hooked up and operating correctly including the EGR. I replaced the cat with another OEM piece, ran the JDM exhaust manifold and downpipe. I also beat the **** out of it to get the car real hot.

My car was so clean, it barely registered any numbers = passed with flying colors. They tech just did a visual under the hood, nothing too serious.

Everything was cool with me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hondaaccordvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had the emission test done in Ma. last year. I transplanted a JDM H22 into my '94 Accord. I just made sure all the emission stuff was hooked up and operating correctly including the EGR. I replaced the cat with another OEM piece, ran the JDM exhaust manifold and downpipe. I also beat the **** out of it to get the car real hot.

My car was so clean, it barely registered any numbers = passed with flying colors. They tech just did a visual under the hood, nothing too serious.

Everything was cool with me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did they attempt the OBD test first by hooking the test equipment up electronically or did they just do the tailpipe sniffer?

I would have no problem in buying all of the correct sensors and I would also have to locate a USDM ECU, BUT... To me, this is f@#$ing stupid, because they should easily just run the tailpipe test and the car will pass. The computer testing equipment controls everything. I am sure there is a way to over-ride it, but they don't want too many to know about it.

 

All the tech did was check my gas cap (suction test), then hooked up the sniffer to the tailpipe. He then ran the program where he has to keep the rpm in a certain range and shift up to 3rd gear.

He did this twice - one was practive test, the second was the real deal.

Oh, I am running a JDM p13 as well. You shouldn't have to use a USDM ecu to pass.

HTH

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hondaaccordvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All the tech did was check my gas cap (suction test), then hooked up the sniffer to the tailpipe. He then ran the program where he has to keep the rpm in a certain range and shift up to 3rd gear.

He did this twice - one was practive test, the second was the real deal.

Oh, I am running a JDM p13 as well. You shouldn't have to use a USDM ecu to pass.

HTH</TD></TR></TABLE>

Based on what you said, Agbar does this differently in TN. Where I live all 1996 and newer vehicles get the OBD test first. They plug their testing equipment directly into the wiring harness under the dash and test the ECU. If everything checks out, you pass and go home. Because the JDM motors are missing extra sensors and only look for one O2 sensor, the car fails.

If their testing equipment cannot communicate with your ECU at all, then they run the tailpipe test. This is what I want to achieve. I am trying to figure out a way so their testing equipment gets no signals/voltage from my ECU. Once this happens, they'll run the tailpipe test and my car will pass.

I am still hoping someone who has had the OBD test chimes in with advice. If not, PM me.

 

Hey, Lynx, where in TN you live?

 

I don't live in TN. If I did, I would have passed by now, because TN just does the sniffer test.

My state does the OBD test first. I want to skip the OBD test and have them run the sniffer instead.

 

Lynx,

I live in Ontario, Canada, but we also have a similar OBD test. The reason the H22A accord passed, and yours failed, it because all cars 92-95 are OBD1, and 96-00 are OBD2. OBD2 has a diagnostics port you can plug into and read codes, and other data. Your JDM ECU probably doesn't output anything on that port. Try hooking up a OBD2 P28 ECU (SOHC Vtec), or US ITR ECU, that should get you to pass the test.

I have an USDM 97 ITR ECU for sale if you need one...

 

No, TN does the OBD scan first as well. All 96 and up cars get plugged into.
Like I said earlier, maybe we should look into a way to manipulate the guys scan tool into thinking it is not communicating w/ the ECU...for example unplugging the port somehow. Just a thought.

 

??

 

I have thought of just putting a dummy plug where they hook their test equipment up to. I thought of integrating the cut wires into the dash harness so it would appear as though the wires are indeed hooked up. I don't know if this would prompt the computer system to force the tailpipe test. That may be an option, but I have no idea if it will work.

My last resort was to register the car in a state that does not require emissions testing. I could just open a PO Box and register the car in lets say...Florida. Again, I have uncertainties with this. I don't know if you can register a vehicle in a state with just a PO Box and no physical address.

These two options make me feel a little uncomfortable altogether. I hate trying to be sneaky about things, so I highly doubt I will try either of them.

Currently, I am looking into just running a USDM ECU and updating the motor with the appropriate emissions/smog equipment. For more of my findings on this, go to: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=739719

Still Searching!

 

emissions sucks...Im up in CT and I have an OBD-0 set up in my all motor LS/Vtec 88 accord and I was SUPPOSED to go this month Jan 28, but the car is off insurance and will not pass because I have no cat.