Spoon Sports Calipers - Anyone interested follow the link below https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=73084

Posted this here since they bolt onto an ITR, Im working out offering a kit for others.

 

Damn thats a good deal! Almost like going to Japan and getting it for yourself minus not dealing with the hassle of flying their like I did! lol --wait thats not funny...

 

WTF? There's no reply button on that thread, so I guess I'll just ask my ?'s here. First off, what exactly constitutes a set? I thought I read somewhere that it was just the front calipers, so that's why I'm asking. Also, is that $1300 shipped or $1300+shipping? CC okay? Thanks!

 

hmmmm.....i'm thinking....

 

unless they are adding extras the Spoon calipers are 80000jpy each with brings a set to 160000jpy or $1345@ 119jpy/dollar. But after you add import duties and other misc charges the price will jump. $1300 is a damn good price!

 

Kagenin, hey, you live in Northbrook! I am from Deerfield originally (going to school at ASU).

Anyways, you only need the 2 front calipers, back brakes don't matter. So a set really is just the front calipers cause those are all that are important.

 

Wow, sometimes what people say in this forum just make me laugh. This was one of those times.

 

i'm amazed at how few applications we've recived for we-todd-did racing.... from the looks of it, our membership should be growing at an exponential rate...

 

LOL! I finally got it...we-todd-did racing!!!!!!!!!!

yoshi - who doesn't want to be a part of we-todd-did racing

 

yoshi: sure you do Currently none of the We Todd's on ht.com have tried to join hehe

just reread that post.. that came out slightly wrong I meant you should join because you aren't we-todd-did


[Modified by Dave-ROR, 11:16 AM 9/29/2001]

 

Main Post updated https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=73084

 

Wouldn't look kinda ghetto/ricey to have some badass Spoon calipers on the fronts and then stock brakes on the back, though? I mean it's probably not actually as bad as I'm thinking it would be right now, since I just woke up, but still...anyone got pics of the entire car (I've seen the ones that were posted last week with just one wheel, which did look bad as f*ck)? Also, these would be cool to use with the stock rotors and wheels? Come with pads? Would I want to change to SS brake lines, or would the calipers be okay with stock? Wow, I'm starting to feel kinda annoying. Ah well.

Onyx- Yeah, actually I'm from Northbrook, but I'm living in Champaign pretty much full time now and going to school. I can't even remember the last time I made it back there!

 

Dave-ROR, thanks, that was a real ******* thing to say. sorry, maybe I am mistaken but I was under the impression that front brakes are more important than back brakes; Wai at the track in Chicago runs only Spoons on the front and stock on the back.

Anyways, Dave, why don't you explain why I was wrong instead of just insulting me and then ending it there. Real dick thing to do in my opinion.

 

What does putting the Spoon calipers up front with stock lines and pads to do the brake balance of the car?


[Modified by Flux, 9:14 PM 9/29/2001]

 

Well Dave if you think that comment was funny, please send a message to TypeR@yahoogroups.com and ask Scott Lucas (ITR racer in World Challenge) about his opinion. He used *street pads* in the back because he wanted *weaker* rear brakes.

Sometimes it's better to keep the useless comments to yourself.

 

Will they clear a 2000 JDM OEM CTR rim?

 

Yes, a CTR rim and a USDM ITR rim are the same

 

I almost don't want to return this topic to the top.. but I guess I will.

When you said "back brakes don't matter" that was an ignorant thing to say. If they aren't important, then go take them off and see how well your car stops. Brake bias plays a VERY important part in braking power, if you overpower the front or rear brakes by a very large ammount, the car will be worse off than when you started. To cheaply test this, go get/make a brake bias adjuster and play around with it. Sorry for coming off as a complete *******.

Wai: Thanks for the ******* comment, I somewhat deserved it I suppose. Would you mind telling me what his EXACT brake setup is? Like I said above, brake bias is important, it's easily possible that with strong rear pads that the brakes were too rear-biased. Please read the thread and understand exactly what I was replying to next time. Thanks.

FWIW: I have nothing against the spoon calipers, I'm sure that they were chosen by Spoon because they didn't tremendously overpower the ITR rear brakes, plus they are lighter I just had a problem with the rear brakes are useless part.

Good day all.

(edit: spelling doh's)


[Modified by Dave-ROR, 3:20 PM 9/30/2001]

 

oh yeah.. if you have any other problems with me personally, just IM me. No need to get into a public flame war over something stupid like this.

 

So, with all this talk, can somebody answer this question?

 

First off, onyx00 didn't say the rear calipers aren't necessary. At least I didn't take his comment that way.

According to Scott, if he used track pads in the rear, the rear would tend to lock up too quickly. He had to use street pads to avoid this problem. He is running the stock calipers in all corners I believe.

I understand your idea of brake bias. For our cars, the weight is concentrated in front. So when we brake into turns, the tail would become so light that an imperfection on the road (or too high of tire pressure) would send the inner rear tire into the air. So if the rear brakes are too strong, the rear tires would lock and undesired oversteer would occur. Some people prefer that kind of setup in autocross because it is low speed and safe to do. On a track, it's not a good idea.

Increasing the braking power in front would not cause any undesired motions of the car like the rear would. I guess that's the main answer that we're looking for?
And keep in mind that we're not talking about 6-pot or 8-pot calipers. Honestly the Spoon brakes are not a lot stronger.




[Modified by Wai, 2:55 PM 9/30/2001]

 

Wai: nothing that you just said differed from what I said. I took the comment "back brakes don't matter" differently than you did. That's all. I never did say to increase the strength of the rear brakes, so I'm not really sure where that came from.

And I never thought the spoon calipers would be much stronger, you simply couldn't make them so much stronger as to greatly upset the balance of the brake setup honda installed in the car.

So again, my only real problem with this (and Onyx's post) was the comment "back brakes don't matter" and "front calipers cause those are all that are important". Those statements to me mean that you should never even worry about the rear brakes, and this simply isn't true depending on what you do with the front brakes. I never made the comment that the Spoon front calipers would require the rear brakes (edit: make that "would require stronger rear brakes") to work better than stock or anything else.

flux: I don't own the Spoon calipers so I can't tell you. Wai answered your question indirectly though.


[Modified by Dave-ROR, 6:52 PM 9/30/2001]

 

I don't want to sound like a jerk but,
Could we please Stop the arguing in this post?
Thanks guys

 

Come on Mike, it turned into a somewhat technical discussion

 

im interested but here is the scenario
will it fit this setup
its my 93 Si hatch
it has the Spoon ITR big brake conversion to the ITR 11.1 brakes with 4 lug
it has gsr spindles
will it fit without probs
and it should clear my 15" 35mm spoons
and 16" 45mm spoons
let me know
as for braking bias in this question
I run the stock rear disks without probs at all
I can outbrake just about any supercar out there at the road course
and its fade free
i tend to brake really late so I can keep up in turn speed
and outrun any cars out of the turns
its all about exit speed there