ok..i swapped in my dohc zc motor and it started up fine and everything, but i am having a big problem with the axles...( my crx is an SI )

i bought 88-89 int. axles with the half shaft but i had a hard time bolting on the half shaft because teh first time the guy gave me a auto tranny one, i got the manual one and put it on fine and everything... i pulled my car out of the parking space, turned my steering LEFT and i was trying to be very gentle with the clutch because it was the first time with the new tranny so i didnt know the sensitivity, i went front about 2 feet and SNAP, it sounded like my tranny was about to fall out...i came out of the car, couldnt tell what it was....pushed the car back into the parking spot and jacked it up, and saw the axle had snapped....i got frustrated and stoped for the night and blamed the guy i bought the remanufactured axle from...next day i went back to him, but the shop was closed....then i went to pep boys and bought another remanuf. axle but with life-time warranty...took it home, put it in...same thing happend, SNAPPED again...put it back up on jacks and noticed it was hitting the cross member and the lower control arm....

then i sat there for a lil while and tryed to figure out what i was going to do before i put my car into flames...and a light bulb turned on...i picked up my original si axle and decided to change the inner shaft with the integra one...

worked just fine...not hitting the cross member anymore but the axle keeps falling out when i turn left...my shaft is short and i can see the cv boot is being stretched...

my car has a white tissue on its antanna and has finally SURRENDERED!

i have no idea what else i am supose to do, i really dont want to pull out my original tranny and use that because 1. it has 190K miles on it 2. i have used my old axles as cores to buy my int. axles

if anyone has come accross this problem please help...thanks

 

What tranny? SI or ZC? If your using the SI tranny I don't think you can run the two piece shaft setup. I think you have to use the stock axles.....If your using the ZC tranny 88-89 integra axles should work fine as long as you have the 5-speed halfshaft.


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I am using the ZC tranny, i tryed using it with the half shafts but the boot that goes into the half shaft is too close to the cross member, and when i turn left, the axle swings under the cross member trying to make a path and the cross member just snaps it

 

HUH??? the boot what? the shaft who? crossmember? The crossmember is in the front under the radiator... what is hitting what, describe???

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i might be mistaking it but its the same big piece of metal where the tranny mount sits on, it is hitting exactly where the lower control arm connects to that "big piece of metal"

makes more sence now?

 

hehe, lil slow i am i am

 

ok the stock axle doesnt have a half shaft i guess for that reason, because there isnt too much room, it just has the long shaft, but with the half shaft, there is a big cv boot and everything right in the middle, it sits right in front of where the lower control arm connects to the "big piece of metal" and when the car turns left, the cv boot turns the opposite way and gets caught with the metal and breaks

 

Ok, so your inner axle boot on the driver's side hits the rear crossmember by the lower control arm mount?


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YES!

 

The only thing that really comes to mind without seeing it is a motor mount issue. What timing cover motor mount setup are you using?? It sounds like your motor may be sitting incorrectly??


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is this a 2nd gen CRX and is this an actual ZC or is it an integra D16A1? the correct axles for the JDM DOHC ZC in the 2nd gen CRX is the ZC intermediate shaft (the only one that will work) and 90-93 integra axles - if you have the proper mounts and proper axles, the only way they can hit the cross member is if the car has been crashed in the front and pushed the engine mounts or suspension to the rear

 

you should be using the stock SI mount on the driver's side.. are you?
if not your motor is sitting at to muhc of an angle and thats your problem

again, use the stock motor mount bracket and the stock motor mount on the drivers side.. this might help you out.

 

Sounds to me like he bought the wrong ZC, If he bought the JDM Civic Si engine (black top ZC) the drivers side mount is in the center of the Timing cover if its not he got the wrong one. How DO I know? I have the correct one and am using the ZC half shaft and 90-93 Teg axels and nothing is close to hitting anything anywhere. You shouldn't have to swap anything off the stock original axels, I didn't. And my DX had the very same axels his Si had. if you have older axels than the 90-93 Integra they are too short and thats your problem.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i wAsNt tRyiNg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok..i swapped in my dohc zc motor and it started up fine and everything, but i am having a big problem with the axles...( my crx is an SI )

i bought 88-89 int. axles with the half shaft but i had a hard time bolting on the half shaft because teh first time the guy gave me a auto tranny one, i got the manual one and put it on fine and everything... i pulled my car out of the parking space, turned my steering LEFT and i was trying to be very gentle with the clutch because it was the first time with the new tranny so i didnt know the sensitivity, i went front about 2 feet and SNAP, it sounded like my tranny was about to fall out...i came out of the car, couldnt tell what it was....pushed the car back into the parking spot and jacked it up, and saw the axle had snapped....i got frustrated and stoped for the night and blamed the guy i bought the remanufactured axle from...next day i went back to him, but the shop was closed....then i went to pep boys and bought another remanuf. axle but with life-time warranty...took it home, put it in...same thing happend, SNAPPED again...put it back up on jacks and noticed it was hitting the cross member and the lower control arm....

then i sat there for a lil while and tryed to figure out what i was going to do before i put my car into flames...and a light bulb turned on...i picked up my original si axle and decided to change the inner shaft with the integra one...

worked just fine...not hitting the cross member anymore but the axle keeps falling out when i turn left...my shaft is short and i can see the cv boot is being stretched...

my car has a white tissue on its antanna and has finally SURRENDERED!

i have no idea what else i am supose to do, i really dont want to pull out my original tranny and use that because 1. it has 190K miles on it 2. i have used my old axles as cores to buy my int. axles

if anyone has come accross this problem please help...thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

yeah what virginia dude said. if he has a BLACK TOP 88-91 zc DOHC he needs the 90-93 teg axels withouth abs. thats waht i was running an my friend is running.

 

There were two types of Black top ZC engines, and the Brown top Integra engine, Only one has the EF mounts. I saw integra Black tops when I bought my ZC 2.5 years ago. Just because it has a black valve cover doesn't mean its goning to work. Just a point to remember. Only the Civic has the mount in the center of the timing cover the other has it at the front edge of the block if I remember correctly. And the mounts on the ZC are the same as a DX or Si, because I picked the best of them when I did mine. The Front back and trans mount I am refering to spescificly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is this a 2nd gen CRX and is this an actual ZC or is it an integra D16A1? the correct axles for the JDM DOHC ZC in the 2nd gen CRX is the ZC intermediate shaft (the only one that will work) and 90-93 integra axles </TD></TR></TABLE>
I have read that this is correct in quite a few places.
Try these sites. http://www.thezcresource.com
http://www.quickhonda.net
and read the article on axles at http://www.hasport.com
HTH



Modified by 4crx4me at 10:04 AM 1/9/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i wAsNt tRyiNg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i might be mistaking it but its the same big piece of metal where the tranny mount sits on, it is hitting exactly where the lower control arm connects to that "big piece of metal"</TD></TR></TABLE>

based on this, it sounds like this may be a 1st gen CRX

 

I was thinking and I forgot something, there was an ODB1 version of the DOHC along with the ODB0 that I mentioned, so if you call a browntop Teg a ZC there are 4 kinds of the DOHC, plus the SOHC one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by virginia_dude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was thinking and I forgot something, there was an ODB1 version of the DOHC along with the ODB0 that I mentioned, so if you call a browntop Teg a ZC there are 4 kinds of the DOHC, plus the SOHC one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

there is a browntop DOHC ZC from the JDM 86-87 Integra - a blacktop DOHC ZC from the 88-89 JDM Integra - a blacktop DOHC ZC from the 88-91 JDM Civic/CRX Si's - a blacktop JDM DOHC ZC (OBD1) - a SOHC ZC (non-VTEC) - a SOHC ZC (VTEC)

 

I always thought that you just use the stock Si axles with no int shaft for a ZC swap? That is what we did with my friends hatch and it worked perfect.

 

ok ok sorry for the delay in my posts, its because i had made a new account and it was only letting me post 5 per 24 hours...

..anyhow...for all the confusions i made..my car is a 2nd gen CRX..the motor is a 91 DOHC ZC...most important part is that i took out the drivers side mount and found out it is ripped and noticed the motor is sitting a little slanted...from other posts i have read, the timing belt cover is supose to touch the hood slightly and that is why people get the ZC hoods, but my timing belt cover is no where near my hood and its because my mount is messed up, i am going to change that mount today or tomorow and see if anything changes....

...and yes you can use your stock SI axles just as long as you change the side that goes into the tranny and you dont have to go through the trouble of finding the ZC intermediate shaft...

..thanks for all the help...i will get back to you guys after i change my mount and see how the axles fits...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96-EJ6 B18C &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I always thought that you just use the stock Si axles with no int shaft for a ZC swap? That is what we did with my friends hatch and it worked perfect.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can use the stock axles if you are using the stock transmission - if you have the ZC transmission (which he said he had) you must use ZC intermediate shaft and 90-93 integra axles - the stock axle splines are too small on the transmission end to fit ZC transmission

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

you can use the stock axles if you are using the stock transmission - if you have the ZC transmission (which he said he had) you must use ZC intermediate shaft and 90-93 integra axles - the stock axle splines are too small on the transmission end to fit ZC transmission </TD></TR></TABLE>

The only difference between the ZC and Si tranny externally is the hole for the ZC is bigger like you said. I think what he is saying is he is swapping out an Integra (or something) kind of inner joint which has a larger diameter shaft and fits inside the ZC tranny). So now he has unequal length axles on a ZC. I never heard of anyone doing that before. In theory what he said should at least bolt up. But I'm not sure if the Si axles are the incorrect length or what not.

But anyway for a ZC tranny the correct setup is 90-93 Integra axles and ZC intermediate shaft.

I have also heard the 88-89 Integra intermediate shaft will bolt up if you cut off the top stalk of it. But I have nothing but hearsay to back that up.

 

..what you said is correct, you can change the inner joint of an integra and put in your stock SI axle shaft and it fits into the tranny of the ZC, BUT the stock shaft is too short and once you start to drive it falls out..

..the good thing about doing this is that you dont need to go through the trouble of finding a ZC intermediate shaft, but now you have to look for a axle shaft that is atleast 1 inch longer...

..what shops are there here in LA that i can take my car to and they will do axle work?...and i am talking about shops that do swaps and stuff, not just any mechanic shop...

 

very informative i appreciate all the info cuz im preparing to do this swap next week. glad i ordered the center shaft {intermediate shaft} when i ordered my zc tranny