WilWood Big Brake Kit
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WilWood Brake Kit
Thinking of the Wildwood brake kit for my R and just wondering if the kit will throw off the stock brake bias point....
Anyone have any experience with the kit?
Thanks.
Anyone have any experience with the kit?
Thanks.
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (RaVAGE00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaVAGE00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thinking of the Wildwood brake kit for my R and just wondering if the kit will throw off the stock brake bias point....
Anyone have any experience with the kit?
Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can't see why it would.
Curious why you are thinking of this mod though?
Anyone have any experience with the kit?
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I can't see why it would.
Curious why you are thinking of this mod though?
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (1GreyTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I can't see why it would.
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To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
I can't see why it would.
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To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (BABY NSX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BABY NSX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I disagree....Braking force is generated by tire adhesion.
Totally depends on tire selection.
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I disagree....Braking force is generated by tire adhesion.
Totally depends on tire selection.
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From: kuidaore
Re: WilWood Brake Kit (BABY NSX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BABY NSX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Understood, and funny enough I am reading that chapter in "Going Faster" the Skip Barber book right now.
My point is that if the brake system is almost neutral stock, the addition of bigger brakes all around and multi piston calipers that are specifically designed for the car, should not induce uneven biasing. As I understand it. And that if it does, an adjustable brake bias valve is required.
On the other side, "Tires" can effect grip and braking as well and this specific topic is covered in this Month's Grassroot's Motorsport's, where they are careful when stating that Tires are percentagely more important for stopping than brakes.
My point is that if the car is already balanced Stock, then adding bigger brakes all around including calipers and more aggressive pads should not induce the car to be more front or rear biased?
As well, the stock R brakes are quite good and if anything; require R compound pads, higher temp brake fluid and removal of dust shields/cooling ducts only for pretty serious track duty. Not neccessarily a bigger brake kit.
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Understood, and funny enough I am reading that chapter in "Going Faster" the Skip Barber book right now.
My point is that if the brake system is almost neutral stock, the addition of bigger brakes all around and multi piston calipers that are specifically designed for the car, should not induce uneven biasing. As I understand it. And that if it does, an adjustable brake bias valve is required.
On the other side, "Tires" can effect grip and braking as well and this specific topic is covered in this Month's Grassroot's Motorsport's, where they are careful when stating that Tires are percentagely more important for stopping than brakes.
My point is that if the car is already balanced Stock, then adding bigger brakes all around including calipers and more aggressive pads should not induce the car to be more front or rear biased?
As well, the stock R brakes are quite good and if anything; require R compound pads, higher temp brake fluid and removal of dust shields/cooling ducts only for pretty serious track duty. Not neccessarily a bigger brake kit.
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (1GreyTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I can't see why it would.
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To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
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What he said
As for Spoonies.... I dont want to pay for that JDM Bling factor...... I like the value that is in the Wilwood package....
I can't see why it would.
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To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
_______
What he said
As for Spoonies.... I dont want to pay for that JDM Bling factor...... I like the value that is in the Wilwood package....
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (RaVAGE00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaVAGE00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
_______
What he said
As for Spoonies.... I dont want to pay for that JDM Bling factor...... I like the value that is in the Wilwood package....
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Which goes back to if the set/kit is designed for the car I would hope that it would Not be front or rear biased but, a tested setup that hopefully doesn't require a brake proportioning (sp) valve.
At any rate, although you like to repost what was previously mentioned and Yes, I do understand what you meant and what is meant by brake bias, front to rear but,
Why exactly and for what application do you require this again?
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
_______
What he said
As for Spoonies.... I dont want to pay for that JDM Bling factor...... I like the value that is in the Wilwood package....
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Which goes back to if the set/kit is designed for the car I would hope that it would Not be front or rear biased but, a tested setup that hopefully doesn't require a brake proportioning (sp) valve.
At any rate, although you like to repost what was previously mentioned and Yes, I do understand what you meant and what is meant by brake bias, front to rear but,
Why exactly and for what application do you require this again?
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (RaVAGE00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaVAGE00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
_______
What he said
As for Spoonies.... I dont want to pay for that JDM Bling factor...... I like the value that is in the Wilwood package....
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i would think that ABS would help prevent the rear from locking up too much.
To much braking force in the front will cause the front to lock up before the rear has done all the braking its capable of. Result, longer stopping distances.
To little braking force in the front will cause the rear to lock up before the front has done all the braking its capable of. Result, a tail happy car that will likely spin off the track.
So balance is very important....
_______
What he said
As for Spoonies.... I dont want to pay for that JDM Bling factor...... I like the value that is in the Wilwood package....
</TD></TR></TABLE>
i would think that ABS would help prevent the rear from locking up too much.
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (Big Phat R)
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I disagree....Braking force is generated by tire adhesion.
Totally depends on tire selection.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are half right here... It is true that ALL of the braking force is transferred to the tire-asphalt interface and that tire selection is VERY important in maximizing the shear force the tires can generate. But this force still must originate from the braking system and if the front and rear systems are not balanced (for the given braking situation) then one end will lock up first which may not be desirable.
Each component in the system must be chosen thoughtfully to maximize stopping power (tires, rotor diameter, caliper design, brake pads…).
I disagree....Braking force is generated by tire adhesion.
Totally depends on tire selection.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are half right here... It is true that ALL of the braking force is transferred to the tire-asphalt interface and that tire selection is VERY important in maximizing the shear force the tires can generate. But this force still must originate from the braking system and if the front and rear systems are not balanced (for the given braking situation) then one end will lock up first which may not be desirable.
Each component in the system must be chosen thoughtfully to maximize stopping power (tires, rotor diameter, caliper design, brake pads…).
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (RaVAGE00)
Which Wilwoods are you planning to use? Most of them don't have dust boots which are not suitable for normal street conditions. The brake pistons will rust and seize up rather quickly.
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (RaVAGE00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaVAGE00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thinking of the Wildwood brake kit for my R and just wondering if the kit will throw off the stock brake bias point....
Anyone have any experience with the kit?
Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would ask these questions,
1 where do you get the brake pads from?
2 how much are they compared to a regular R compound for stock brake pads?
3 how long does it take to get them?
4 Are you willing to put up with all of this once you have them on your car?
I don't think you can just go to your local auto store and buy pads. Please anyone correct me if I am wrong but I think this is a big part that you should think about before you purchase Wilwood.
Modified by FURBALL B-16 at 7:50 AM 1/8/2004
Anyone have any experience with the kit?
Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would ask these questions,
1 where do you get the brake pads from?
2 how much are they compared to a regular R compound for stock brake pads?
3 how long does it take to get them?
4 Are you willing to put up with all of this once you have them on your car?
I don't think you can just go to your local auto store and buy pads. Please anyone correct me if I am wrong but I think this is a big part that you should think about before you purchase Wilwood.
Modified by FURBALL B-16 at 7:50 AM 1/8/2004
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (FURBALL B-16)
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I would ask there questions,
1 where do you get the brake pads from?
2 how much are they compared to a regular R compound for stock brake pads?
3 how long does it take to get them?
4 Are you willing to put up with all of this once you have them on your car?
I don't think you can just go to your local auto store and buy pads. Please anyone correct me if I am wrong but I think this is a big part that you should think about before you purchase Wilwood. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I was not aware that the pad selection for the Wilwood kit was so limited. I will do some futher investigation...
Thanks.
I would ask there questions,
1 where do you get the brake pads from?
2 how much are they compared to a regular R compound for stock brake pads?
3 how long does it take to get them?
4 Are you willing to put up with all of this once you have them on your car?
I don't think you can just go to your local auto store and buy pads. Please anyone correct me if I am wrong but I think this is a big part that you should think about before you purchase Wilwood. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I was not aware that the pad selection for the Wilwood kit was so limited. I will do some futher investigation...
Thanks.
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit (RaVAGE00)
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I was not aware that the pad selection for the Wilwood kit was so limited. I will do some futher investigation...
Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
HA! Pad selection is quite a bit broader than for OEM Calipers. Many aftermarket companies make pads for most Wilwood Calipers (i.e. all the Dynalites). Hawk, Raybestos, Ferodo, etc. all make a wide assortment of pads to suit any application. Plus, most are cheaper than the OEM pads.
You do have to order most of them, BUT any good domestic performance shop should stock the more popular pads. I could list about 20 websites that sell these pads for great prices, are very reliable and ship the same day...
I was not aware that the pad selection for the Wilwood kit was so limited. I will do some futher investigation...
Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
HA! Pad selection is quite a bit broader than for OEM Calipers. Many aftermarket companies make pads for most Wilwood Calipers (i.e. all the Dynalites). Hawk, Raybestos, Ferodo, etc. all make a wide assortment of pads to suit any application. Plus, most are cheaper than the OEM pads.
You do have to order most of them, BUT any good domestic performance shop should stock the more popular pads. I could list about 20 websites that sell these pads for great prices, are very reliable and ship the same day...
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Re: WilWood Brake Kit
-The Dynalite pistons are stainless steel - no rust.
-The seals do need to be replaced, I've been on my Dynalites for a year and so far it looks good.
-Replacement parts are easy to find as well as pads. As JDMDA9 said, there are lots of pads available for the Dynalite caliper.
-The price of replacement parts is excellent. $40 per 12.19x.810 rotor, $40 for a set of HAWK Black compound race pads, $35 for Wilwood street pads, etc.
-Brake bias was not thrown off.
I'm happy with my Wilwood brakes. The price of replacement parts and consumables allows me to stock some basic parts like pads, rotors, and pins. If I do need something, I can usually get it in two days directly from Wilwood if the local dealer doesn't already have it.
-The seals do need to be replaced, I've been on my Dynalites for a year and so far it looks good.
-Replacement parts are easy to find as well as pads. As JDMDA9 said, there are lots of pads available for the Dynalite caliper.
-The price of replacement parts is excellent. $40 per 12.19x.810 rotor, $40 for a set of HAWK Black compound race pads, $35 for Wilwood street pads, etc.
-Brake bias was not thrown off.
I'm happy with my Wilwood brakes. The price of replacement parts and consumables allows me to stock some basic parts like pads, rotors, and pins. If I do need something, I can usually get it in two days directly from Wilwood if the local dealer doesn't already have it.
