I just got my Spec B in today, on a stock valve train, runs fine, the idle is a little rough but not too bad. Runs good, VTEC is much quieter for some odd reason, and I can't tell much of power gains.

I know these cams were design for higher compression, but it seems almost like the same power with the regular type r cams.

I am currently running a Spoon ECU, VTEC at 5000 Redline at 9200.

I will be upgrading to toda valve springs soon, but just wanted to know for those who have had these in your stock valve train and how was the power gains etc, what did you do about tuning etc, any advice would help.

Thanks all.

Also I did my tune up timing belt etc service too, runs much better.

 

theres this thing called tuning and a dyno.. its lovely!

 

I am new to this, what kind of tuning do you suggest? Like a V-AFC ? Hondata would be nice but I don't have that kind of money.

 

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u can afford toda cams
but not hondata ?

 

Just get a VAFC then.... and when u have money get a hondata later

 

Pls remember that the spoon ECU is OBD2 and the VAFC and OBD2 ecu s don't work very well together.

rgds,

 

are you running the toda's with stock itr valve train? i thought that was a bad idea since toda's only run well if everything is toda, such as the valvetrain especially. i've read old posts indicating problems with mixing toda with other aftermarket parts. is this true?

 

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Huh?

I had zero problems with my V-AFC on my '00 Type R. Toda B cams, etc.

Yack was able to get a very nice state of tune. Peak numbers were probably about the same, maybe a few more hp up top. But the midrange gains were

 

Toda reconmends to use their valve springs since the lift is higher, just to prevent stress on the valve springs when reving high.

And just curious where the power band is at with these cams. Mid Range? Top end?

 

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Because the transition from low lobe to high lobe is not that great when compared to the lobes of OEM VTEC camshafts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by QuanKwan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And just curious where the power band is at with these cams. Mid Range? Top end?

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A little top end gain as compared to the ITR cams, but the Toda mid range is phenomenal

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by QuanKwan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just got my Spec B in today, on a stock valve train, runs fine, the idle is a little rough but not too bad. Runs good, VTEC is much quieter for some odd reason, and I can't tell much of power gains.

I know these cams were design for higher compression, but it seems almost like the same power with the regular type r cams.

I am currently running a Spoon ECU, VTEC at 5000 Redline at 9200.

I will be upgrading to toda valve springs soon, but just wanted to know for those who have had these in your stock valve train and how was the power gains etc, what did you do about tuning etc, any advice would help.

Thanks all.

Also I did my tune up timing belt etc service too, runs much better.

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Optimal VTEC xover for spec Bs is 6000-6800 rpm.

The Spoon ECU is really not a great choice your your combo - I suggest selling the Spoon.

You are RISKING THE LIFE OF YOUR MOTOR by using stock valvetrain with these cams.

I wouldn't go into VTEC very much if I was you - not unless you want your motor to drop a valve and chew on it for a while.

 

move your x-over to 6300

if you plan to rev over 8500ish, you'll need valve springs.

 

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And just curious where the power band is at with these cams. Mid Range? Top end?

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Everywhere.

Here is a graph of my spec b's vs my stock cams. You can see the difference once both are tuned:




This makes a difference in acceleration (of course):

 

Add a little compression and you get....



B18C5 + toda B + compression + fuel + Hytech header + tuning

 

Good choice of cams. How about a pic or two of your R!

 

Oh yeah, I'll second what others here have said: get some toda valvesprings and ditch the spoon ecu.

Heck, if you sell the ecu you can get hondata!

If you haven't tuned the car, then don't expect more than 175-180whp peak.....

 

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And just curious where the power band is at with these cams. Mid Range? Top end?

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Yeah...that's why you should know this stuff BEFORE installing them.

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but unless you build your motor properly for those cams, you're not doing yourself a lot of good.

 

Hey Quan who installed the cams? Did u also do a valve adjustment?

 

Question for you tech gurus since we're talking about his setup.

I'll be running Toda Spec A's, Toda cam gears, j's intake, jdm 4-1 header, carsound cat, and fireball exhaust. Would it be worth getting the Spoon ECU?

I also have VAFC. I am also gettin it dynoed and tuned of course.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type R 2c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Question for you tech gurus since we're talking about his setup.

I'll be running Toda Spec A's, Toda cam gears, j's intake, jdm 4-1 header, carsound cat, and fireball exhaust. Would it be worth getting the Spoon ECU?

I also have VAFC. I am also gettin it dynoed and tuned of course.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the spoon ecu is recomended for it's own set up and usually won't compliment toda cams and parts too well. and why even bother with a spoon ecu if you're going with the vafc?

 

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the spoon ecu is recomended for it's own set up and usually won't compliment toda cams and parts too well. and why even bother with a spoon ecu if you're going with the vafc?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Okay cool thanks JUN-R So overall don't go with the SPOON ecu even if I get rid of my VAFC.

 

didn't know you were getting rid of the vafc. but if you do still, don't go with the spoon ecu. hondata is more along the lines of what you want

 

My car is much louder now, even the idle, it might sound like tapping or it may just be in my head, i am not sure.

if some one has experience please help, it is freaking me out

 

I wouldn't run it over 8k w/o valvesprings. Who knows what the limit is before they float. On borrowed time, imo.

VTEC shouldn't be quieter. Non-VTEC should be louder.

Warren