Why do ppl build this engine... rather than have THIS even stronger motor?
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Why do ppl build this engine... rather than have THIS even stronger motor?
this might be a dumb question but i dont care.... sue me...
why do i see many MANY more ppl building b18c - c1's rather than going a route that IS a bit cheaper and can produce a much stronger engine (from a power point of view) the Poormans ITR (B18c block with b16 head) Ive read around. and the "Custom" ITR setup is not very popular and i'm just wondering everyones thoughts about this.. and maybe why not alot of ppl have tackled this kind of a project... it puzzles me and why all you engine freaks turn to sticking with the full GSR! when you know the GS-R16 (is what i like to call it) engine can be put together for a fairly better price than doing a full GSR swap.. all your comments and info is greatly appreciated.. and i hope u guys can guide me in the right direction! thanks
why do i see many MANY more ppl building b18c - c1's rather than going a route that IS a bit cheaper and can produce a much stronger engine (from a power point of view) the Poormans ITR (B18c block with b16 head) Ive read around. and the "Custom" ITR setup is not very popular and i'm just wondering everyones thoughts about this.. and maybe why not alot of ppl have tackled this kind of a project... it puzzles me and why all you engine freaks turn to sticking with the full GSR! when you know the GS-R16 (is what i like to call it) engine can be put together for a fairly better price than doing a full GSR swap.. all your comments and info is greatly appreciated.. and i hope u guys can guide me in the right direction! thanks
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Re: (irev210)
you are talking about ls-vtec motors.
Where you use the LS, RS or B20 motor and put a vtec head on it.
Search around for ls-vtec you will find tons of posts. I personally do not like this setup. Please everyone do not chime in and say this setup is great yadda, yadda, I don't care and I won't come back to this post to see what has been said, I'm just giving my two cents about the setup.
It seems you will always have problems with this setup. I've heard no matter what, they leak oil from head/block area, I also know that if you want to build this motor right, more needs done than just slap block to head.
You need to balance the entire bottom rotating assy, and add piston oil squirters into the block. You need vtec timing belt and water pump. Vtec oil pump, block girdle. And here are some parts you should get but most people don't. Vtec windage tray, oil pickup, oil cooler, water pipe, thermostat, knock sensor.
Then you have to get the head and block milled to make sure they fit together flat, buy the oil line for the vtec conversion as well as block up old oil pasage and what not.
Where you use the LS, RS or B20 motor and put a vtec head on it.
Search around for ls-vtec you will find tons of posts. I personally do not like this setup. Please everyone do not chime in and say this setup is great yadda, yadda, I don't care and I won't come back to this post to see what has been said, I'm just giving my two cents about the setup.
It seems you will always have problems with this setup. I've heard no matter what, they leak oil from head/block area, I also know that if you want to build this motor right, more needs done than just slap block to head.
You need to balance the entire bottom rotating assy, and add piston oil squirters into the block. You need vtec timing belt and water pump. Vtec oil pump, block girdle. And here are some parts you should get but most people don't. Vtec windage tray, oil pickup, oil cooler, water pipe, thermostat, knock sensor.
Then you have to get the head and block milled to make sure they fit together flat, buy the oil line for the vtec conversion as well as block up old oil pasage and what not.
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I don't think is talking about Ls/v-tec.
The b18c block and b16 head are not common. The b16 head has better flow than a gsr head and is the same cast as the itr head. If you put a b16 head on a gsr bottom you will gain flow but you should lose a little bit of compression since the chambers are not the same. (gsr-square b16-round) It is true that a b16 head with proper valvetrain, cams and head gasket will give you more power than the gsr on the same block. This is why it is call the poor man itr, same bottom with same head but not the same valvetrain.
irev210 he does make sense it's just you didn't understand what he meant.
The b18c block and b16 head are not common. The b16 head has better flow than a gsr head and is the same cast as the itr head. If you put a b16 head on a gsr bottom you will gain flow but you should lose a little bit of compression since the chambers are not the same. (gsr-square b16-round) It is true that a b16 head with proper valvetrain, cams and head gasket will give you more power than the gsr on the same block. This is why it is call the poor man itr, same bottom with same head but not the same valvetrain.
irev210 he does make sense it's just you didn't understand what he meant.
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Re: (sebmour jdm)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sebmour jdm »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think is talking about Ls/v-tec.
The b18c block and b16 head are not common. The b16 head has better flow than a gsr head and is the same cast as the itr head. If you put a b16 head on a gsr bottom you will gain flow but you should lose a little bit of compression since the chambers are not the same. (gsr-square b16-round) It is true that a b16 head with proper valvetrain, cams and head gasket will give you more power than the gsr on the same block. This is why it is call the poor man itr, same bottom with same head but not the same valvetrain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
just use some ITR pistons and you basicly have a C5, if you can fine a reasonably priced GSR block then that would be one of the better ways to go IMHO
The b18c block and b16 head are not common. The b16 head has better flow than a gsr head and is the same cast as the itr head. If you put a b16 head on a gsr bottom you will gain flow but you should lose a little bit of compression since the chambers are not the same. (gsr-square b16-round) It is true that a b16 head with proper valvetrain, cams and head gasket will give you more power than the gsr on the same block. This is why it is call the poor man itr, same bottom with same head but not the same valvetrain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
just use some ITR pistons and you basicly have a C5, if you can fine a reasonably priced GSR block then that would be one of the better ways to go IMHO
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good.. some ppl understood what i was asking!!.. thanks guys..
so why do you not see alot of ppl doing these setups.. they are alot cheaper is you can find a half decent gsr block.. and b16 heads are cheap as peanuts if u knwo the right ppl.. why is a full gsr built instead of going the cheaper/stronger way??
so why do you not see alot of ppl doing these setups.. they are alot cheaper is you can find a half decent gsr block.. and b16 heads are cheap as peanuts if u knwo the right ppl.. why is a full gsr built instead of going the cheaper/stronger way??
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Re: (4genaccordfreak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4genaccordfreak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good.. some ppl understood what i was asking!!.. thanks guys..
so why do you not see alot of ppl doing these setups.. they are alot cheaper is you can find a half decent gsr block.. and b16 heads are cheap as peanuts if u knwo the right ppl.. why is a full gsr built instead of going the cheaper/stronger way?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Who says you need a gsr block. An LS block will work just fine.. and give you more torque and displacement.
so why do you not see alot of ppl doing these setups.. they are alot cheaper is you can find a half decent gsr block.. and b16 heads are cheap as peanuts if u knwo the right ppl.. why is a full gsr built instead of going the cheaper/stronger way?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Who says you need a gsr block. An LS block will work just fine.. and give you more torque and displacement.
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Re: (Escobar)
different strokes for different folks i went with the jdm 1st gen b16 i would say its cheaper than going threw all that trouble of trying to make a type r. but thats up to you what ever tickles your pickle dude 
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I've revved my ls/vtec to 8600 rpms regularly and had NO problems...
Rod ratio between b20/b18a'b and b18c's is only .04 in difference...
It just needs to be built right
Rod ratio between b20/b18a'b and b18c's is only .04 in difference...
It just needs to be built right
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