Hey All,

I'm new here, but I've been browsing and searching HT for a while now, I find it very informing. HT actually got me into EF Civics

I've searched but I couldn't find what I was looking for as my question is quite specific...

I'm in Australia and I'm looking at buying an EF but many of the EFs in Australia are 1.5L and after researching Civic engines I don't want a 1.5L.

I don't really know that much about cars to do a DPFI to MPFI conversion, therefore I'm after any 1.6L with MPFI.

The problem is in Australia many EF owners don't know much about their car and can't tell me what engine they got or if they have MPFI.
what confuses me is everyone says they have Twin/Dual Carbs. But according to one of my sources - http://www.civic4g.com/specs.htm , only the 1.4Ls came out with carbs, almost all the 1.5L came with DPFI.
Whether they like to replace the term DPFI for Twin carby is the least of my problems.
So from my source it says all 1.6L engines came out with MPFI, yet I contact numerous sellers that are selling a 1.6L and they say that it is Twin Carby. :/

I really am confused now, is it possible that Australia's EFs didnt come out in MPFI?
I'm assuming Australia would get JDMs?

Main Question: Are Australian EF's JDMs? And if they did how is it possible for a 1.6L to have Twin Carbies or DPFI?

Thank You for Your Anticipated Help.

ToF

 

Any response is much appreciated.

Thanks For Your Help in Advanced.

 

best to go look at some of those twin carbed cars. i went to look at an 86 civic with a cracked block but it ended up being an 88 with a bad water pump

 

I'm not sure if there are any EF's exclusive to Australia.
But If you guys get JDM EF's then YES, the lower trim level 4gen civics in japan
came with carbs. I'm not sure when the JDM hondas or hondas in the rest of the world, for that matter, switched over to MPFI exclusively. In the states DPFI was phased out by the time OBD1 showed up. Around 1991-92. DPFI was only around in the 4gens, if I recall correctly. Sort of a stop-gap to meet US emission standards.
The reason the USDM's got DPFI in the first place, instead of twin-carbs, like the rest of the world, was an emissions issue, I'm sure. It was easier for honda to meet those standards with a simple FI, rather than trying to have carb equipped cars certfied.
I do belive that in the rest of the world only the higher trim level cars had MPFI. And 1.6 litre engines, at least until 1990-91, then there was the SOHC ZC, whivh WAS MPFI

 

sup dude???? yup EFs in australia are 1.5 dual carb. EFs in australia are made in japan but not exactly JDM.... if its a real JDM 88-91 civic it should have a EF stamped on the chassis and the blue vin tag. but too bad we got the ED chassis....no difference anyways. the good thingf is we got a feww JDM goodies with the aussie spec EDs rear lights, electric windows control panel, centre console, and a few more things. i used to have a 90 civic with a 1st gen B16A powerplant. the conversion was done here in sydney. the workshops name is GPC (Good Performance Centre). my civic was converted to a full blown JDM spec EF except the chassy code..ehhehehe. yah everthing was done...bumpers, hood, lights, interior, brakes, suspension, etc etc. its worth givind them a call. they do alot of conversions, the good thing is the're a honda specialist. where abouts r u in australia????? anyways heres the workshops number and addy.

GPC (good performance centre)
70 railway st. yennora NSW 2161
tel: 02 9681 6788

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4crx4me &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not sure if there are any EF's exclusive to Australia.
But If you guys get JDM EF's then YES, the lower trim level 4gen civics in japan
came with carbs. I'm not sure when the JDM hondas or hondas in the rest of the world, for that matter, switched over to MPFI exclusively. In the states DPFI was phased out by the time OBD1 showed up. Around 1991-92. DPFI was only around in the 4gens, if I recall correctly. Sort of a stop-gap to meet US emission standards.
The reason the USDM's got DPFI in the first place, instead of twin-carbs, like the rest of the world, was an emissions issue, I'm sure. It was easier for honda to meet those standards with a simple FI, rather than trying to have carb equipped cars certfied.
I do belive that in the rest of the world only the higher trim level cars had MPFI. And 1.6 litre engines, at least until 1990-91, then there was the SOHC ZC, whivh WAS MPFI</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey, Thanks for your reply it helped a lot.

And I have found an EF with MPFI. Its year is 1989, and I believe it's a D16A6/7.
The pic is here: http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/73097.jpg
Unfortunately the car is out of my budget

Just to clear up my understanding, your saying most of the world got dual carbs except for the US where they got DPFI to meet the US emission standards right?
And MPFI would only be found in higher class EFs?

Again, Thank You Everyone for Your Help

 

You can import yourself a nice EF8/9

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ToF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hey, Thanks for your reply it helped a lot.

And I have found an EF with MPFI. Its year is 1989, and I believe it's a D16A6/7.
The pic is here: http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/73097.jpg
Unfortunately the car is out of my budget

Just to clear up my understanding, your saying most of the world got dual carbs except for the US where they got DPFI to meet the US emission standards right?
And MPFI would only be found in higher class EFs?

Again, Thank You Everyone for Your Help </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, you are correct. In my expirience the only countries in the world that honda sold DPFI cars in were the US and Canada. In my research, I found In Europe most lower trim levels had dual carbs not DPFI. and an option on exhausts. The Japanese and European equivalents of the higher levels Civics and CRX's Si's, Si-R's, XS'i's EX's, VT's, VTi's, etc, etc, .were MPFI, such as the D16A6/7 you mentioned. But in the lower trim level cars, where most of the rest of the world found dual-carbs, we in the US found our cars DPFI equipped.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I Want An Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can import yourself a nice EF8/9</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes but you wouldn't be able to register it

 

One last question.

I'm assuming all the cars with 1.6L engines are higher class, so why would a ZC come with dual carb, or a D16A6 come with dual carb?

Thank You All Again

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AussieK24 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yes but you wouldn't be able to register it </TD></TR></TABLE>

why not
i have a friend over there around 1 hr away from sydney and he owned a EF8 (CRX SiR) and he also onwed a EG6 (93 SiR)

im confused

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ToF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One last question.

I'm assuming all the cars with 1.6L engines are higher class, so why would a ZC come with dual carb, or a D16A6 come with dual carb?

Thank You All Again </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not sure I understand, what you are asking, here.
Why would ZC's have dual-carbs? Are ZC's higher or lower engines in the honda hierarchy?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4crx4me &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm not sure I understand, what you are asking, here.
Why would ZC's have dual-carbs? Are ZC's higher or lower engines in the honda hierarchy?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well all the 1.6L engines came with MPFI everywhere else i believe. And I do think the ZC is a higher engine.

So confusing

 

The "ZC" as I know it, is just a designation for ALL 1.6L inline 4, D series honda engines. Be they, SOHC, DOHC, VTEC, MPFI or carbed.
If it was a honda 1.6L D series and it was sold anywhere in "asia" it was designated a "ZC". In the US. we never got 1.6L D series engines DESIGNATED as "ZC". They were designated, D16A1, D16A6, D16Y8, etc., and ALL our D16 engines were MPFI, if they were not MPFI, they had a displacement of less than 1.6L. But, I am only talking civics and integras, here
HTH