Hey guys: I live in canada and i recently purchased a 2004 Civic SI. I am not sure what model this is in the US. I beleive its the equivalent of a EX? Its 127 HP Vtec, not the 160 vtec, anyway on my first oil change i was thinking about going to Mobil 1 Synthetic, How do you guys feel about this?? is it a good move?? I know i talked to the guy at honda and most of those salesmen are morons, but the owners manual says to use "honda only" oil. Please let me know what you guys think about running synthetic, if its worth the money or if i should just keep rocking quaker state peak performance like i have my other cars..

 

I always thought you were supposed to run about 10000mi. on dynojuice before switching to synthetic... at least thats what I was told by a lot of people, so thats what I did, then switched to Mobil 1 at 10K. Seemed to work out just fine. The "Honda oil" thing is crap... you can pour in the 5-20 or 5-30 oil of your choice.

 

Do a search. This has been covered many times throughout the history of Honda-tech.

But basically, you'll find everyone split about 50/50 on what to do. Personally I say run syn. at the first oil change and do so at about 1500 miles when you should first do the oil change (IMO), but you'll find others that say something else.

Your car--up to you. I didn't have any problems though and my EP3 does not burn oil like some others.

 

Your car is basically the same as a USDM EX Civic. Your Si-R is our Civic Si. Personally I would wait for 4,000 to 5,000 miles to do the first oil change. I did mine at 4500 in my '02 Si, and believe me, It went against everything I believe in. Honda does use a break-in oil with a high Molybdenum content, and this aids in reduced break-in wear and piston ring seal. I waited until 10,000 miles to switch to synthetic, and I have no oil consumption problems.

 

Todd00 so you say run the stock honda oil for 1500 miles and then switch over to the synthetic? Thanks guys appreciate the help!!

 

Honda does use a break-in oil with a high Molybdenum content, and this aids in reduced break-in wear and piston ring seal.

Please list the Honda part number for this 'special' oil. So far, no one has been able to produce it and all of this idea of a break-in oil is straight from the rumor mill.

Yes, I switched to syn. at ~1500 miles (my first oil change) in the EP3. In my 97 GSR I did the same at 650 miles and 800 miles in my 00 Type R. You can tell which side of the fence I set on.

 

well - for the S2000 at least the high moly content is due to the engine assembly lube. So when you drain the oil (regular old Honda(mobil) 10w30) you are also draining out the moly that helps in the brak-in... FWIW.

 

Thanks guys, anyone else have any ideas? I am thinking i am gonna do the first oil change at 1500 miles (2500 kms) and then goto Mobil 1 from there on in for the rest of the time i own the vehical...

 

i am waiting until 3k and then amsoil 5w20

 

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Please list the Honda part number for this 'special' oil. So far, no one has been able to produce it and all of this idea of a break-in oil is straight from the rumor mill.

Yes, I switched to syn. at ~1500 miles (my first oil change) in the EP3. In my 97 GSR I did the same at 650 miles and 800 miles in my 00 Type R. You can tell which side of the fence I set on.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Honda does use a high moly content break in oil Please check Bobistheoilguy.com for more info as for the oil change i waited about 4k and then dropped mine and went to redline 5w20 exspensive but still has high amounts of moly i will do so for the life of the car

 

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Please list the Honda part number for this 'special' oil. So far, no one has been able to produce it and all of this idea of a break-in oil is straight from the rumor mill.
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There is no part number for this oil. It is the first fill in the crankcase from the factory. This is not the rumor mill here. Read the info provided in the links below.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/moly.html

http://theoildrop.server101.co...03736

http://theoildrop.server101.co...-3VPD

 

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Honda does use a high moly content break in oil Please check Bobistheoilguy.com for more info as for the oil change i waited about 4k and then dropped mine and went to redline 5w20 exspensive but still has high amounts of moly i will do so for the life of the car</TD></TR></TABLE>

If Honda used such an oil, it would have a part number. There is no mention of this oil anywhere in Honda's system.

And what am I looking for in those links? I see no proof of Honda using any kind of special oils on a new car.

 

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If Honda used such an oil, it would have a part number. There is no mention of this oil anywhere in Honda's system.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If it is an internal part number for a product or part used during assembly, but not available to the dealers, would you have access to it?

Read the difference in the moly content of the factory fill and various samples of Honda branded oil in the UOA tests posted at http://www.bobistheoilguy.com and decide for yourself.

UOA analysis and Honda's adamant recommendation to leave it in for at least 5000 miles is enough evidence for me.

 

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And what am I looking for in those links? I see no proof of Honda using any kind of special oils on a new car.
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Look at the UOA (used oil analysis). Compare the moly count in the factory fill to samples of new oil.

 

Yes, it should have a part number, regardless. What if a dealer installs a new engine in someone's car? Proper procedure would be to use this oil, would it not be?

As for leaving the factory fill in for 5K miles or whatever Honda recommends, no thanks. While Moly may fill in some of the pits in the metal, you're still sloshing around the other metal particles that are cast off when the parts come together. And would it really take 5K miles and xxxx^3 power number of crank rotations worth of driving to get the motor set? Even the oem manual says that after 600miles you can drive it like normal. I've always felt that after this initial mileage hurdle, you can do anything you want to the motor and be fine.

And if you want a fast motor, break the car in hard. If you want a motor that will last over 200K, then drive it like grandma. I don't intend to keep any of my new Hondas over 200K miles though.

 

Thanks alot Todd00 , I really appreciate your help as well as everyone elses, You guys rock!!

 

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Just don't take my word for fact...this is just my personal belief from what I have done and experienced in the past. And so far, I have had no problems and I don't seem to burn oil in my Type R or my EP3 as much as some folks do.

I do know that both my 97 GSR and 00 ITR dynoed higher than normal when they were stock. Maybe I've just been lucky though.