I have a 95LS with 160,xxx....soon to be boosted...almost done with the turbo setup...but i came through a 97 GST white in color, really clean, stock...he want about 7000 for it, nothing wrong with it, i test drove it and it still run strong, 100,xxx on the GST, should i keep my LS and boost it, or should i sell it and i buy the GST?? i really want the GST but im almost done with my turbo setup for my LS... i just want some thoughts from you guys, what would u guys do???

 

ls/turbo > gst...

 

My vote is for the LS. The only reason I'd drive a DSM is for AWD. If you want to stick with a FWD car, go with a turbo honda. 2G DSM's crankwalk, have crappy suspension, crappy ECU's, and just feel cheap compared to Hondas.

 

Yeah its a very hard decision between the two for me...anymore thoughts out there????

 

Like I said I'd stick with the LS.

Let me elaborate more.

2G Turbo DSM's ('95-'99 model year) have a major design flaw in the motors which has been known as Crankwalk. Basically the oil passages in the block do not flow enough oil to fully support the center thrust bearing. Over time the thrust bearing wears out, basically allowing the crankshaft to move back and forth in the block (generally when you push the clutch in, since that puts force on the horizontal side of the crank). Adding an aftermarket clutch accelerates that effect because when you upgrade to a heavier pressure plate, that bearing is working harder to keep the crankshaft in one place.

The only fix for that is to swap the motor to a '90-'91 year block. If you replace the thrust bearing, or replace the block to another '95-'99 year block, it will just happen again. I'm not going to get into the differences between the two unless you PM me, but basically the early blocks have larger passages, and do not have that problem.

On to the suspension. The 2G suspenion just blows. Turning radius is almost half that of a 1G, and the way the shock mounts, it almost mounts at an angle (not completley vertical) when you lower the car, so it puts more strain on the shock itself. It is a horrible design.

If you really want to get a DSM, 1G hands down is the way to go. If you don't like the looks of a 1G, stick to the Integra. You will be very unhappy with a 2G DSM.

****DSM LESSON****

Here's a bit of information I am sure a lot of you didn't know either. DSM's are american cars (Eclipse/Talon/Laser). The '90-'91 years used the motor from the EVO III Lancer and Galant VR4 in Japan, but they were never built or released in Japan. In '93, Mitsubishi of America developed their own version of the 4G63 motor to stick in all new models of DSM's. That is when the crankwalk problems started. In '95, Mitsubishi of America EXPORTED the Eclipse to Japan. So in Japan, the Eclipse is actually an import to them. It did not sell well as it has a LOT of mechanical problems. But all Eclipses were made in the USA.

/lesson

 

Keep your LS.

 

WTF??? Do you want CrankWalk or something?!?!?!?!?! ...LoL Just messin' with yah. Although, that is a problem with like 40% or more turbo DSM's past '95. '97 is the lates front end GS-R right? I like the way they look, but if I were you, I think I'd stick with the LS just to avoid reliability issues. GS-T's make mean cars though, and they're more rare...maybe less likely of getting jacked too.

 

More than 40% have crankwalked. Every 2G is going to do it sooner or later, since it is a block design flaw. Some people have gone higher mileage without it doing it, but they religiously change their oil, or have rebuilt their motors recently before it started doing it. It will eventually happen though. Generally most cases have been reported around 60k miles.

 

your avatar made me thinkg you were somebody else

 

keep your car dood.

 

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yeah i thought it was that guy p1mpslap! haha

 

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LoL me too... I was like, doesn't p1mpslap have a gs-r?

 

wow that was some good info,i dont know much about those cars, thanks alot man,i have a second thought now, ill probably just keep my boosted LS...hehe...im going to rebuilt it anyway. Thanks guys for all the help!


Modified by sPaRk'iT at 2:36 AM 11/25/2003

 

Keep the LS.

 

i knew DSMs had engine reliability problems but i didnt know all that in depth info, gj to whoever wrote that

parts are more expensive and labor is a bitch on em too.

stick with your teggy, youll be happier down the road, and why would you want to get rid of it now right when its finishing getting boosted?!

 

keep your ls and go to college

 

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GSX- All wheel drive
GST- Front wheel drive.

Both come 200 hp stock at the fly. My friend strengthened his block and in addition, placed certain device that eliminates crankwalk. I dont really know the name of the device, but he's still running strong.

With a 16G turbo upgrade, 3' downpipe, turbo-back, intake, and being grounded, he's running pretty damn fast.

but... I'd stay with my Ls and turbo it anyday.. i've gotten this far, and might as well keep going.

 

If you want to learn how to fix cars, buy a DSM.... you'll get plenty of practice.

 

definately go with the LS turbo. stay away from that dsm.....

 

If you are going to stay with a FWD car I would stay with the Honda. If you decide to go into a DSM, I would stay away from the 2G's. Just like Ramocheese stated " The only reason I'd drive a DSM is for AWD."
As far as reliability issues with 1G dsm's, I just bought a 91' GSX eclipse (AWD) with 214,000 miles and I must say, it runs great.

 

It's not just strengthening the block, the center thrust bearing just wears out due to insufficient oil over the life of the car. If he is still running the 2G block, chances are it will eventually crankwalk. How many miles it will last though is hard to tell.

If anyone needs any DSM information, PM me. I've been an active DSM'er for the past 5 years. I'll either answer any question, or give you a link to answer any question you could possibly have.