http://www.nasaproracing.com/r...c.pdf

 

no real surprises other than removing the overbore restriction on H1.

[edit] the minimum weight list doesn't include the accord.

 

and I didn't see the Accord being re-classed, as Morgan had hinted at...

 

I'll be the first to say.

Good work Ryan F. and the rest of the guys.

Now ALL H-C regions are using the same rules. Nice!

John- who thinks it is very cool that MANY compromises and friendships grew out of those messy rule debates!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JohnW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll be the first to say.

Good work Ryan F. and the rest of the guys.

Now ALL H-C regions are using the same rules. Nice!

John- who thinks it is very cool that MANY compromises and friendships grew out of those messy rule debates! </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

6.1 Vehicle Minimum Weights

H4
88-91 Civic, CRX Si: 2175 lbs
92-95 Civic (EX and Si, 1.6L): 2305lbs---------------Deleted: 2400
Integra (94-01 1.8Lnon-VTEC): 2525 lbs-------------Deleted: 2575
Integra (90-93 1.8L non-VTEC): 2480 lbs------------Deleted: 2500

Guess I'll be talking to Alex and John about the rationale for this.

Well, it's the Honda <U>Challenge</U> , after all. Will certainly be challenging next year.


Modified by Geezer at 2:19 PM 11/20/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Geezer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">6.1 Vehicle Minimum Weights

H4
88-91 Civic, CRX Si: 2175 lbs
92-95 Civic (EX and Si, 1.6L): 2305lbs---------------Deleted: 2400
Integra (94-01 1.8Lnon-VTEC): 2525 lbs-------------Deleted: 2575
Integra (90-93 1.8L non-VTEC): 2480 lbs------------Deleted: 2500

Guess I'll be talking to Alex and John about the rationale for this.

Well, it's the Honda <U>Challenge</U> , after all. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I was looking at that as well. As I recall it's a 92-95 civic that won the championship this year - looks like Lyonel also get a weight break. Also, Jon who bought the 'teg LS was weighing in at 2475 + 185 driver and turning out 1:29s at Summit. Looks like he can lose about 135 lbs. As I recall James E.'s car runs 1:28.xx at Summit.
That should make for some damn close racing - which should be good. I also think that this will really push people to get their engines prepped to the max of the rules. How's Chikita's engine doing?
I know what I need to be running to be a contender now... At least, I don't think that it will be the car holding me back!

 

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Yep. High 1:29s at Summit with the old weight. I think that the weight changes probably originated from the West Coast, where H4 appears to be almost all CRXs.

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The ITA CRX? Yep. Of course that's with James driving, which doesn't hurt.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SJR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...I also think that this will really push people to get their engines prepped to the max of the rules. How's Chikita's engine doing?
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170-120-120-170. Open diff, stock ring & pinion. The price of racing just went up.

 

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The price of racing just went up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You don't have to tell me... luckily I had already spent the money!

 

When will the spec tire info be released for WestCoast? Is it stil RA-1?

 

I was told the RA-1 would be the spec tire.

 

The 2305 is the same as the ITS weight for the 92-95 Civic EX.

 

Nice job guys Were pretty happy with the job you did on the rules. It cant have been easy. I'm a little concerned with the stock rods and pistons for the Hybrids. It seems like false economy to me, after allowing free heads, compression and cams? No adjustable cam gears is also a little bit of a mystery?? However We can live with it. And I'm sure these issues will be resolved as the season, and blow ups go on. Were looking forward to bringing some fast cars to the East Coast and meeting all you guys. How about a schedule???

Kiwi

 

Was there ever a discussion about the GSR min weight being the same as Type-R? Shouldn't it be less?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ACRDC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Was there ever a discussion about the GSR min weight being the same as Type-R? Shouldn't it be less? </TD></TR></TABLE>

No. They're not in the same class. If you have questions regarding the rules, please take them to http://www.nasaforums.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KIWI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice job guys Were pretty happy with the job you did on the rules. It cant have been easy. I'm a little concerned with the stock rods and pistons for the Hybrids. It seems like false economy to me, after allowing free heads, compression and cams? No adjustable cam gears is also a little bit of a mystery?? However We can live with it. And I'm sure these issues will be resolved as the season, and blow ups go on. Were looking forward to bringing some fast cars to the East Coast and meeting all you guys. How about a schedule???

Kiwi</TD></TR></TABLE>

They way I read the rules adjustable cam gears are allowed for hybrids...at least I would imagine that's the intent of the rules...

Hopefully they can clarify that point...


Also of note, and something I failed to notice before (17.0c) about forced induction. Ram air is illegal, which technically makes direct ducting from headlight opening to TB illegal, at least in my eyes. Unless you have some kind of bleed hole that makes sure that pressure never goes positive....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KIWI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No adjustable cam gears is also a little bit of a mystery?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

hi Kiwi!

i truly look forward to seeing some of the west coast cars come here, too. can't wait!

and i think cam gears are allowed for H1 hybrids only; no cam gears for H5-H2. at least, that is how i understand it.

 

Looks like Hondata is going to be getting some new customers

So why is the min height now 5" for all cars, it was 4"?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 57STS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So why is the min height now 5" for all cars, it was 4"? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Dyslexic are we?

 

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and i think cam gears are allowed for H1 hybrids only; no cam gears for H5-H2. at least, that is how i understand it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

where did you see that? All I saw was that headwork was free, and camshafts were free. I didn't see any mention of cam gears, which leads me to believe they are just as restricted for H1 as they are for other classes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SJR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

where did you see that? All I saw was that headwork was free, and camshafts were free. I didn't see any mention of cam gears, which leads me to believe they are just as restricted for H1 as they are for other classes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That doesnt make alot of sense. Most aggressive after market cams don't perform optimally at 0,0. Cam gears are a tuning tool, I see no reason for them to be restricted in a class that has free cams.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Geezer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">6.1 Vehicle Minimum Weights

H4
88-91 Civic, CRX Si: 2175 lbs
92-95 Civic (EX and Si, 1.6L): 2305lbs---------------Deleted: 2400
Integra (94-01 1.8Lnon-VTEC): 2525 lbs-------------Deleted: 2575
Integra (90-93 1.8L non-VTEC): 2480 lbs------------Deleted: 2500

Guess I'll be talking to Alex and John about the rationale for this.

Well, it's the Honda <U>Challenge</U> , after all. Will certainly be challenging next year.
Modified by Geezer at 2:19 PM 11/20/2003</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually I belive the weight for 92-95 Civic EX was changed mid year last year from 2400 to 2305.

 

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That doesnt make alot of sense. Most aggressive after market cams don't perform optimally at 0,0. Cam gears are a tuning tool, I see no reason for them to be restricted in a class that has free cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have to believe it's an oversight. By trying to restrict valves and springs they had to start spelling out individual parts and forgot about the gears.

 

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I have to believe it's an oversight. By trying to restrict valves and springs they had to start spelling out individual parts and forgot about the gears. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeap...

Opps, forgot to remind someone about the accord...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also of note, and something I failed to notice before (17.0c) about forced induction. Ram air is illegal, which technically makes direct ducting from headlight opening to TB illegal, at least in my eyes. Unless you have some kind of bleed hole that makes sure that pressure never goes positive....

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16.4 b: "ONE headlight may be removed for the purposes of engine or brake cooling, or for the purpose of engine air intake systems."