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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 07:58 AM
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I know this is a stupid question, but its been buggin me lately. Does VTEC engage in neutral? It doesn't matter really, just wanted to know.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 08:01 AM
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Nope, from what i've read around here it engages when there is a load on the engine.

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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 08:02 AM
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Thats what I thought, just confirming it. Thanks.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 08:06 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sledgehammer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nope, from what i've read around here it engages when there is a load on the engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yep. the engine has to be warm too.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 10:06 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sledgehammer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nope, from what i've read around here it engages when there is a load on the engine.
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Correct... on a stock ECU. But if you have a program like Mugen, then VTEC will engage with no load on the car (revving it in your garage). It was a good way to find out the valve/piston clearance on my old (like back in 1998) LS/VTEC motor with stock B18A block and putting in Type R cams. With the cam timing advanced too much, the valves hit the pistons and it made a very loud, obnoxious sound but this was just by revving it past 4500 rpms in neutral to make sure before we took it out on the road and drove it with a load on the motor.... good thing too or we'd say bye bye to the valves.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 10:57 AM
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my old rex use to engage in neutral mugen program ownz
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 11:20 AM
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you can also get it to go into vtec with say a feels vtec controller. You can set that thing at like 1200rpms and hear it go into vtec at almost idle.

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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 11:31 AM
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yep, when in neutral my car can go vtec, if youve got a vafc (i do) or anything that interupts the vtec signal, it will overide the computer and will hit vtec anytime you reach the set rpm
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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hey will vtec engage in reverse? just wondering...
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 12:34 PM
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Yes it most certainly does. The engine doesn't know or care what gear its in, as long as there is a load on it, creating high oil pressure.

So basically the criteris for VTEC is this:
If engine = warm AND
oil pressure &gt;= threshhold AND
RPM &gt;= 5500 THEN
Activate VTEC
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 12:35 PM
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Haha i remember reading somewhere people were trying to hit VTEC in reverse and someone fucked up their tranny =P
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 12:43 PM
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You can mess up a tranny in any gear if you force it, but driving fast in reverse at any speed will not damage a transmission.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 01:03 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18cEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know this is a stupid question, but its been buggin me lately. Does VTEC engage in neutral? It doesn't matter really, just wanted to know.</TD></TR></TABLE>
on a normal ecu, in addition to a few other signals (temp, oil), it requires like a 15-20 mph signal on vss - has nothing to do with 'load'.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 01:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RichXKU &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can mess up a tranny in any gear if you force it, but driving fast in reverse at any speed will not damage a transmission.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, in an auto tranny it can make a bad burning smell.

We got my friends base auto rsx up to 34 mph in reverse in an empty parking lot. It sounded like a giant turbo spooling.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 01:23 PM
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no
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 01:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Newman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Correct... on a stock ECU. But if you have a program like Mugen, then VTEC will engage with no load on the car (revving it in your garage). It was a good way to find out the valve/piston clearance on my old (like back in 1998) LS/VTEC motor with stock B18A block and putting in Type R cams. With the cam timing advanced too much, the valves hit the pistons and it made a very loud, obnoxious sound but this was just by revving it past 4500 rpms in neutral to make sure before we took it out on the road and drove it with a load on the motor.... good thing too or we'd say bye bye to the valves.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not good...thats scary...its doesnt take much to bend valves.....dont do that again
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 01:26 PM
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Eww Auto trans.

I also forgot about the speed sensor needing input as well. If the vehicle speed sensor is damaged or disconnected, VTEC won't engage.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 01:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Newman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It was a good way to find out the valve/piston clearance on my old (like back in 1998) LS/VTEC motor with stock B18A block and putting in Type R cams. With the cam timing advanced too much, the valves hit the pistons and it made a very loud, obnoxious sound but this was just by revving it past 4500 rpms in neutral to make sure before we took it out on the road and drove it with a load on the motor.... good thing too or we'd say bye bye to the valves.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Claying is a "good way" to determine valve/piston clearances -- that method was most certainly not.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 03:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RichXKU &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I also forgot about the speed sensor needing input as well. If the vehicle speed sensor is damaged or disconnected, VTEC won't engage.</TD></TR></TABLE>

truth to this?
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 04:28 PM
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coo did not know
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 05:20 PM
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[QUOTE=Newman]

Correct... on a stock ECU. But if you have a program like Mugen, then VTEC will engage with no load on the car (revving it in your garage). QUOTE]

yup, im using a mugen p28 and when the car is warm and i rev it in nutrual it hits vtec.
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 04:47 PM
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you cannot hit VTEC in reverse. on a stock ECU you must be above a certain speed, the engine must be warmed up, and you must be going forward.
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 05:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmsiR20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

truth to this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

if the ECU is stock. Yes.
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 05:13 PM
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with a vafc you can vtec in neutral. BUT vtec in reverse? Its da ****!
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 05:21 PM
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great......another excuse for people to rev there engines at stop lights, thanks honda-tech! hah....oh well....
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