jw, need a yes or no answer. Thanks

 

sure.. why not.. just buy the good padding..

 

I don't think so...that's not even SFI rated high density padding, and even if it was I'm not sure how safe it would be.

 

Thats a kirkey...btw

 

no... its not safe to drive *every day* but i would have no problem with it if i only drove it to the track and on rare occasion....

what you really need is the high density padding. with a helmet.

 

gotcha... dont want to hurt my head, I'm dumb enough

back to autopower 4pt

 

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Only because the less time you spend on the road, the less chance you have to crash.

There's nothing "safe" about a padded steel bar and no helmet, SFI padding or not. All that **** is designed to work with standard safety gear, and that includes a helmet.

The bottom line is...it's perfectly safe for daily driving as long as you never hit your head on it. If you do, you're screwed.

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Kirk

 

&lt;----daily driven without padding.....i'm pretty sure my head is harder than the cage!! well at least that's what my previous girlfriends have said....

 

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chad...your a special character

 

Well, if you're tall enough that you'd hit your head on it, I would say definitely not safe. If you're a shorty you're probably OK

 

Firstly there is no way to daily drive safely in any car in any configuration--You can't fully control the actions of other drivers, nor your own equipment. So, no.

That padding in the image looks like Polyethylene foam, which is one of the worst foams you can choose for reducing head trauma (according to tests by USC). More here about the testing: http://www.snikte.net/barpad.html (link courtesy of Tyson's rollcage FAQ) In testing there is virtually no difference between having that padding and no padding at all. However, SFI 45.1 rated padding reduces the deceleration forces on your head by at least 50%.

I don't see how a rollbar tube properly padded with SFI rated material could be worse than other similar dangers in the car. For instance could you in a violent crash be thrown against your plastic covered b-pillar? Or against another structural member of the car with similar design? Would this really be better than hitting a 1" SFI-rated padded tube?

 

I disagree with everyone else, it is perfectly safe for daily driving. Add the right padding and wear your helmet everywhere you go, then you have no worries.

Wear the harness too!

Scott

 

try going from a high desity foam on out to lower density foam. so that the one actually on the bar is extremly hard then come out gradually. still may not be the safest but deffently alot better then what you got there

 

I have no fear of driving my car on the street with a padded 6pt Autopower.

 

The decal say KIRK not Autopower.
As far as I kno, it is not a very good idea to drive the car daily in the configuartion you are showing us. You really do need to wear a helmet and so would a passenger in the event of a "violent" impact. The padding will only work with the proper safety equipment.
I might add that some staes will not pass the car during a routine safety inspection - check that carefully. I drove mine to the inspection station and had to explain how I would get out of the car due to the door bars. They allowed it after I demonstrated that the car is generally driven with the window down and I did not need to open the door. The car is now trailered.
Remember that a safety system is the sum of the parts used.

 

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do you have a decal that says that?

seriously, I think the real issue is that in a lot of roll cage installations the tubing is really close to your head. Of course, that depends on the cage and the car.

joel -- who wants a decal that says "some fear"

 

Bolt in cages and cages designed to go in with the headliner still in place put the tubing pretty close to your skull. I have seen custom cages that there is no way you could hit your head on the tubes. On mine, if you manage to hit your head on the tubes, you were going to hit the roof/a-pillar/b-pillar/door frame anyway, because the headliner is out, and the metal of the roof (and A-pillar) is touching the roll cage tube. The cage in the photo looks like it's going to have close proximity to your head no matter how much you slouch. FWIW.

 

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Depends, what are you planning to hit?
You should be fine as long as you don't have an "accident".

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Take a baseball bat (simulating your head) and take a swing at your existing padded roll cage. See the dent in the bat?!, that's your head. Now repeat with the SFI foam... no dent. The foam has to decellerate the bat (or your head) to zero speed before it squashes down to zero thickness. At that point, you head is being struck with a bare steel bar - end of story. The foam you have is very very bad. Fix it, please, soon.

 

Kirkey makes seats Kirk makes roll cages. It definatly has the kirk sticker. I would get a piece of the SFI stuff to be by your head. It would be better to bump up against that than the soft padding.

 

I personally have never understooed either side of this argument. Has there ever been a formal study of this or personal experience? That would make this post alot more interesting than just pure opinion.

but if you want MY opinion, the fatal case of hitting your head on the cage only seem likely in wrecks where the fatalitly rate is high anyway, ie high speed angled head on collisions. and common sense would say that if you rolled a out into the woods at 60 mph 10 times WITH a 5 point harness and a cage, and the do it again with just a 3 point and no cage, that you would get less fatals with the cage and belts just because of the nature of holding the body away from things that could hurt it and holding the shape of the car during collisions.

But again has anyone here ever heard of someone getting hurt by their cage in some way that would not have happened had the cage not been there?

 

The point is you cant legally wear your 5/6 point on the street.

If you're taller than 5'6" you cant drive a Spec RX7 with a stock seat... your head will buzz against the cage... i wouldnt want to be in any kind of accident in a situation like that.

 

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Its really illegal to wear a 5/6 point harness on the streets? Sorry..i'm not knowledgeable w/ the laws that well. But wouldn't it be better for safety, then the little should/lap belt?

 

they are not DOT approved.

 

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The law doesnt care.