have been looking for a new set of tires for a few weeks and came across these.
have any of you guys had any experiance with them, they will be just a daily driver tire.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...1=yes

 

Those are the stock tire on the Evo I believe. Probably pretty decent but I bet its not better than the much cheaper ES100.

 

what type of tire are you looking for??

performance oriented?
(I'd go w/azenis....for obvious reasons, they are cheaper than those and probobly last just about as long..)

PS.. looks like the treadwear rating on the azenis are 200, while those are 160

all season?
(I just picked up some Visa all seasons for $50 each, they are made by Falken. the Ziex's are another great option.)
http://discounttiredirect.com/...ize=0


also http://discounttiredirect.com usually has better prices than tirerack, and they have free shipping.

Also I have some Re's for sale in my sig.. 195/55/15

 

honestly i just wanted some opinions on those as they are the "new" thing out there and i know you guys in the ARRR forum are on top of all the kool new things out.

i get everything at cost from either discount tire or tire rack so that isnt a concern.
i have had a set of azenis on my old hatch and i loved them in dry weather just wasnt to thrilled with them in wet weather.

might just pick up a set of es100's

 

well..considering the treadwear on those is only 160 and they are more expensive than azenis I wouldn't go w/them. But you are more than welcome to try those out and let us know the results

The tread pattern looks better as far as wet weather traction (in comparison to the azenis), but I don't think any of us have tried them out yet.

If you are just looking for a daily driver tire, I would pick up some Ziex's. Alot of my friends run them and are extremely happy w/them. They have M+S rating, but are still relativley sticky.

 

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looks like the treadwear rating on the azenis are 200, while those are 160
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You cannot compare treadwear ratings from 2 different companies. It can only be used to compare two tires from the same manufacturer.

 

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You cannot compare treadwear ratings from 2 different companies. It can only be used to compare two tires from the same manufacturer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

good point...

"The Department of Transportation requires each manufacturer to grade its tires under the Uniform Tire Quality Grade (UTQG) labeling system and establish ratings for treadwear, traction, and temperature resistance. These tests are conducted independently by each manufacturer following government guidelines to assign values that represent a comparison between the tested tire and a control tire. While traction and temperature resistance ratings are specific performance levels, the treadwear ratings are assigned by the manufacturers following field testing and are most accurate when comparing tires of the same brand.
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Treadwear receives a comparative rating based on wear rate of the the tire in field testing following a government specified course. For example, a tire grade of 150 wears 1.5 times as long as a tire graded 100. Actual performance of the tire can vary significantly depending on conditions, driving habits, care, road characteristics, and climate."

In the same respect why would Yokohama underate their own tire?? My Paradas w/a treadwear of 300 did not last 33% longer than my 200 treadwear azenis.. With that in mind I think it would be safe to say these are softer than azenis..

 

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My Paradas w/a treadwear of 300 did not last 33% longer than my 200 treadwear azenis.. With that in mind I think it would be safe to say these are softer than azenis..
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Because the Paradas are Yokohamas and the Azenis are Falkens?

Also, I cant think of many street tires that are softer than Azenis....

 

treadwear ratings are not comparable between companies. Each one determines the treadwear rating in a differently way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jetydosa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, I cant think of many street tires that are softer than Azenis....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll be running these after I finally wear out my 032R's.
Dunlop D01J, street legal race tire (somewhere in the world )

 

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I'll be running these after I finally wear out my 032R's.
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I call dibbs on the A032's...

regardless of tread left.

 

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I call dibbs on the A032's...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have IM.

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zygspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll be running these after I finally wear out my 032R's.
Dunlop D01J, street legal race tire (somewhere in the world )</TD></TR></TABLE>

A "street tire" is not necessarily the same as a tire that is "street legal". A street tire is intended for use on public roads. A track tire - often called "R compound" or "race tire" - is intended for use in competition. A track tire may be street legal - meaning that it meets DOT legal requirements for use on public roads - the Yokohama A032R is a good example - but I wouldn't refer to it as a street tire.

BTW, I believe the A043 is primarily intended as the OEM tire on the Toyota MR2 Spyder.

 

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Because the Paradas are Yokohamas and the Azenis are Falkens?

Also, I cant think of many street tires that are softer than Azenis....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you not follow my logic??

"Treadwear is only comparable between companies"

ie Yok's to Yok's...falken's to falkens..

In my experience...Parada's barely lasted any longer than my Azenis..

Parada=300
Azenis=200
043's=160

So yokohama's 300 is farely close to Falkens 200 IMO. That being said Yok's 160 rating is most likely softer (ie will wear faster than, Azenis.)


with that in mind 043's would be softer than azenis. Of course we can not be positive, but it's a reasonable comparison.

IF the treadwear rating is not based on a comparison...what else do we establish it with??

 

Treadwear is arbitrary set by each tire manufacturer. That one example you had might work, but it won't work for all tires. There is not a standard way to measure the treadwear, so any comparisons from company to company is really useless and meaningless.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Treadwear is arbitrary set by each tire manufacturer. That one example you had might work, but it won't work for all tires. There is not a standard way to measure the treadwear, so any comparisons from company to company is really useless and meaningless.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I did compare w/in the company....

OK eliminate Falken from the whole scheme as not to confuse everyone. (I chose them because almost everyone runs azenis, and has a good idea of wear)

Parada's are a fairly fast wearing tire as I have seen.. so Parada=300.

043=160... so that would mean they would wear out *almost* twice as fast as a parada...correct?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">043=160... so that would mean they would wear out *almost* twice as fast as a parada...correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nothing wrong with that, as long as they stick twice as well.
If you want some long lasting tires .... buy something with a 440+ treadwear rating! LOL!

 

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Nothing wrong with that, as long as they stick twice as well.
If you want some long lasting tires .... buy something with a 440+ treadwear rating! LOL!</TD></TR></TABLE>

What if the stick as well....but last longer?

Blah...Im glad everyone paid attention.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What if the stick as well....but last longer?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's the eternal question/quest, isn't it!

I've had (and still have) Azenis, and find them lacking compared to the 032R.
I also have presently mounted on wheels some S03's, in addition to the formentioned Azenis (on 15 an 16 inch wheels), and my 032R's.

After using each of these types of tires in similar conditions I'd rather pay the extra for "superior stick" (but maybe that's just the racer in me.
Frankly, the S03's work quite nicely as well, but I tend to put those on the car during the "rainy" season around here.

 

man you guys just jacked my thread all hell....haha

 

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LOL! Sorry!
These do look nice, almost like the S03's.


Just need to get some "real world" experience/input when used on our types of cars (also depends on your expectations/tradeoffs ... which is what I was trying to get to).

These look a lot like the RE010 that originally came on the Type R from the factory, and the rating says they're a "summer" tire (just like the RE010).
Maybe these were meant as replacements since I didn't see the "010" on the Tire Rack site just now .... ?

Oops here it goes:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...RE010


Modified by zygspeed at 6:56 PM 11/6/2003

 

Damnit Ed, you know damn well you can't compare between companies..

j/k

are those dunlop's even available in the states?

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lol.

sorry hibbs....welcome to the R forum

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Parada's are a fairly fast wearing tire as I have seen.. so Parada=300.

043=160... so that would mean they would wear out *almost* twice as fast as a parada...correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, that's correct.

And the treadwear rating on the A032R track tire is 60, which means they wear five times as fast as the Parada. Which is why most people don't use track tires on the street (along with their poor wet pavement performance).

Treadwear and price combine for a "cost per mile".

I wouldn't use the Parada on the ITR. It's really not very good. There are better tires out there, some of which aren't all that expensive.

There are lots of good tires out there for the ITR. I think you can't go wrong with any of these four; pick the one that meets your needs best:

Bridgestone RE010
Traction and handling: Excellent
Wet weather: Excellent
Price (cost per mile): High

Bridgestone S-03
Traction and handling: Excellent
Wet weather: Excellent
Price (cost per mile): High
Not available in stock size

Falken Azenis Sport
Traction and handling: Excellent
Wet weather: Poor
Price (cost per mile): Low
Not available in stock size

Yokohama ES100
Traction and handling: Very good
Wet weather: Excellent
Price (cost per mile): Low

 

Two differences I'd have in your ratings nsxtasy: one, that the Azenis are great in the rain until you hit a puddle, at which time they immediately become useless. Two, the ES100s in my experience can't compare to the Azenis in steering feel or grip, though they're probably a bit better for handling hydroplaning.

By the way Hibbs, I think the A048 is the stock Evo tire, not the 043. For that, no idea if it's even offered in a size for us, but I've heard nothing but good things about it's performance and nothing but bad things about it's treadware rating.

 

damn i smell fire up in here.

D, you always gotta lay the tire deal!