I am sure most of you are familiar with the pros and cons of CAIs for ITR. But I've never seen this CAI before:



I spotted this on one of Hong Kong Super Touring's racecar and found out it's an UKDM product. What do you guys think? I am interested in finding out its gains and whether not they have ways to prevent hydrolock...it somehow looks like short ram to me.
I've seen a couple UKDM ITR guys here, please im them, they must know something....


UK Pipercross website:
http://www.pipercross.com/induction_kits.htm
more info:
http://www.performanceairfilters.com/main.html

The Concept:
http://www.performanceairfilters.com/Movie1.swf

 

not sure what to think of it, and what are the pros and cons for CAI on the C5??

 

Pros and Cons of CAIs? Well, for example, in order to use the Mugen CAI, AC lines has to be removed. There are cases that people just bent the AC lines to make it fit, but it's not recommended...oh, and the $600+ price tag seems unreachable as well. The AEM gives some good high-end gains, but it's volunrable to hydrolock and once you put on the valve <It's late, I am losing memory>, power gains are minimal and the noise of it may become irritable over time. For the J's, minimal power gain or even negative gains, but adds quicker throttle response. The ARC box, again, its gains are controversial like the J's. The Icebox seems pretty well-around, but 1~2whp gain simply isnt enough for most people.

The above does not intent to start a flame war, but simple general conception of each CAI.

Now if this new Pipercross gains some where around 6~8whp <Mugen territory> and has the throttle response of J's <although does not have the bulging part, but it looks like a short ram> with the price equal to Icebox or AEM <$200>, it may be the best all-around CAI for our car. I know, it's wishful thinking, but this forum is dying due to the lack of new findings and parts

 

the J's racing intake gods will be mad about that one
I would be curiouse to learn more about that one as well.

 

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I'd have to disagree with you regarding fitment of the Mugen Air filter box. You DO NOT have to remove any AC lines, only bend them a little to get them out of the way, and as they are soft aluminiun lines that's no problem. And I've never heard of anyone getting trouble with leaking AC or anything after installing this intake. And yes I have this intake on my car, it's AC equipped too, no problems so far
The price is a bit steep, but honestly, you get what you pay for.

 

Isnt the Pipercross just the intake filter company? kinda like K&N? I could be mistaken.

 

i like the look of it and i also like the "promo gallery"

 

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For many people, the biggest "con" for a CAI is the fact that the benefits cannot be observed on the dynomometer, which leads to speculation that the benefits of a CAI are apocryphal.

In a recent test, SGT found that the J's Racing intake (not CAI) got more horsepower on the dyno than the AEM (CAI).

I don't know whether to buy the hype or not.

Still has his ol'e Comptech Icebox.

 

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Asking which CAI is best is like asking which aftermarket camshaft has the best gains, or which religion is the right one to choose.

I don't think any of the reputable ones are crap. I used an AEM since I didn't want to spend a ton of money and I had a wet-weather car to drive.

 

The only pipercross kit I saw was the viper and it doesn't look exactly like the one in the picture you provided. I would be interested to see if the kit pictured is something you can get or if the is a "one-of" part.

No comment on gains, but from looking around at UK sites its about $425US.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nEoMuGen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pros and Cons of CAIs? Well, for example, in order to use the Mugen CAI, AC lines has to be removed. There are cases that people just bent the AC lines to make it fit, but it's not recommended...oh, and the $600+ price tag seems unreachable as well. The AEM gives some good high-end gains, but it's volunrable to hydrolock and once you put on the valve &lt;It's late, I am losing memory&gt;, power gains are minimal and the noise of it may become irritable over time. For the J's, minimal power gain or even negative gains, but adds quicker throttle response. The ARC box, again, its gains are controversial like the J's. The Icebox seems pretty well-around, but 1~2whp gain simply isnt enough for most people.

The above does not intent to start a flame war, but simple general conception of each CAI.

Now if this new Pipercross gains some where around 6~8whp &lt;Mugen territory&gt; and has the throttle response of J's &lt;although does not have the bulging part, but it looks like a short ram&gt; with the price equal to Icebox or AEM &lt;$200&gt;, it may be the best all-around CAI for our car. I know, it's wishful thinking, but this forum is dying due to the lack of new findings and parts

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The AC lines do not have to be removed. I use my AC with no problems with my mugen intake.

 

Its not a CAI in the usual sense of CAIs (AEM/Iceman etc) the filter has a cold air feed attached to the entry of the filter and that picture looks like someone just replaced the intake pipe with oversized samco piping and connected it to the T/B. I like the idea of the vector filter as its completely enclosed in the casing/shield and with the resonator removed a cold air feed is attached in the front wing bringing air up to the filter. however unless you remove front bumper lights in the integra you dont get a ram effect, i think that the vetor would be more suited to a car with an open style grill which can feed a direct cold air pipe horizontally attached to the bottom of the filter shield/casing. I have a piperX filter on my integra a few years back, it was a foam filter that required oiling and was an open style cone shape, it made a terrific noise but i cant comment on whether it performed any better than K&N style filters, also i dont know what material the vector filter is made from.