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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 09:15 PM
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Ok, basiccally i need as much info as i can get on this.
Is it safe? well, how much is safe?
how much difference will it make i.e. .020 will make x.1 compression?
how much will i need to adjust timing for the milling.
ive heard its safe, but you have to adjust the timing belt for some reason
lil help, knowledge appreicated
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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 09:23 PM
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well i already have that...i never acctually tested it, but its supposed to raise it like 2-4 tenths of a compresion. im looking to run near 12:1
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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 11:44 PM
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I thought when you mill your head you adjust the timing on the dist.?
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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 11:58 PM
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Once you mill the head....you can never put it back to normal. Maybe higher compression pistons?
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Old Oct 29, 2003 | 05:21 AM
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with cam gears you can..........
just a matter of how much..not sure if theres a way to tell
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Old Oct 29, 2003 | 07:55 PM
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This has been covered in old threads, but for every 0.012 the head is milled, it is 1 degree of retard on the cam gears.

There is a compression calculator here: http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...c.php You need to know a lot of info on the H22 though. I have my head milled 0.020 with 11:1 Type-S pistons and it figured my compression to be around 11.5:1.
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Old Oct 30, 2003 | 03:36 AM
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that sucks, i guess ill just get the type 2 pistons then and not mill the head.
i wanted with the type s pistons to run a comp of around 12 but to do that id have to mill the head entirely too much to be safe i guess.
thanks
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 06:30 AM
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By that calculator, if you mill it 0.030 with Type-S pistons, you'll have 11.9:1. 0.030 is a pretty common mill. I wouldn't go too much over that, but I'v heard of guys going to almost 0.100.


When calcualting the compression for the milled head I took the volume of the combustion chamber and then recalculated it for the difference in height because of the mill. V = pi * r^2 * h I figured it was a more accurate way than just changing the head gasket thickness.
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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 04:22 PM
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why not just take the center layer out and raise it that way,then if you want more mill it.for every 15 ths you take off a head retard the timing 2 1/2 to 3 degrees.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ranta18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I have my head milled 0.020 with 11:1 Type-S pistons and it figured my compression to be around 11.5:1.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that is the same amount that i milled my head w/ stock pistons, and this is exactly what i've heard...0.020 milled head = .5 raise in compression.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 02:08 PM
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H22
Type S pistons (Std. Bore)
Mugen/Spoon Head Gasket
Milled .020

11.9:1

H22
Type S pistons (Std. Bore)
Mugen/Spoon Head Gasket
Welded Chambers
Milled .020

12.2:1



Modified by RS_H22 at 5:32 PM 11/6/2003
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 08:22 AM
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welded cumbustion chamber? whats up with that? any pics?
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 08:32 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeHatchH22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">welded cumbustion chamber? whats up with that? any pics?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no pics, you just weld some of the areas shut in the combustion chamber... Top/Bottom edge, the sides between the intake and exhaust valves... Cloverleafing is a good example of chamber welding/reshaping... Alot of people reshape the combustion chamber into a clover leaf shape to minumize the cc count which raises compression and some say to increas air flow charactoristics...


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