Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p
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Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p
Alan (Track Rat) emailed me these pics of his finished cage this afternoon. Rumour has it, his wife has given him permission to run the full season. 
i'm still tryin' to figure out what's up w/ the shift ****. looks like a rubber baby buggy bumper sp00n ****.
alan and sam (cage buildin' machine)
i'm still tryin' to figure out what's up w/ the shift ****. looks like a rubber baby buggy bumper sp00n ****.
alan and sam (cage buildin' machine)
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (Ross Rapoport)
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Krylon?
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (azroth)
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Those thing are RAD!
BTW: Very nice cage
Those thing are RAD!BTW: Very nice cage
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (.RJ)
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Krylon?
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Grill paint, most likely. Or hi-heat engine enamel.
Krylon?
</TD></TR></TABLE>Grill paint, most likely. Or hi-heat engine enamel.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (Ross Rapoport)
Hunter thanks for posting. Ok, goofy the yellow butt plug shift **** is made of plastic that was cast in an asprin bottle. .
Yup, the wheels are hi temp rattle can black!
"Mini" Viper kill stickers were stuck on before running with Viper Days @ VIR. Of course they scoffed...until they got a mirror full of ITR in the uphill esses
Sam Neave is a road racer's friend!
Just finished painting the cage...what a pain in the ***!
Modified by Track rat at 8:38 AM 10/29/2003
Modified by Track rat at 12:56 PM 10/29/2003
. Yup, the wheels are hi temp rattle can black!
"Mini" Viper kill stickers were stuck on before running with Viper Days @ VIR. Of course they scoffed...until they got a mirror full of ITR in the uphill esses
Sam Neave is a road racer's friend!
Just finished painting the cage...what a pain in the ***!
Modified by Track rat at 8:38 AM 10/29/2003
Modified by Track rat at 12:56 PM 10/29/2003
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (Dan GSR)
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CW ownzzz
that thing gonna be at summit this weekend??</TD></TR></TABLE>
na, don't think he's unleashing the beast until '04
CW ownzzz
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na, don't think he's unleashing the beast until '04
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (gamby)
Really nice cage. Serious effort in the door areas. If you have any pics of of the parts behind the main hoop, I'd be interested to see them.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (CRX Lee)
Jeez, it would almost be a shame not to crash that car just to see what happens
-travis, who still doesn't understand the rules for attaching the seat mount to the cage and the floor.
-travis, who still doesn't understand the rules for attaching the seat mount to the cage and the floor.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (travis)
[QUOTE=travis]Jeez, it would almost be a shame not to crash that car just to see what happens
Hope I never test it!
As for seat mounting, the theory is that with the seat and harness bolted to a cradle, which is part of the cage; the seat will move with the cage as it deflects. Also, you have a little more protection under the floor if your lying on your side and get ait again! A theory I don't plan on testing!
As for legality, it is a solid safety argument, no competitive advantage. My regional tech guy approves. Other tech guys may question it.
Hope I never test it!As for seat mounting, the theory is that with the seat and harness bolted to a cradle, which is part of the cage; the seat will move with the cage as it deflects. Also, you have a little more protection under the floor if your lying on your side and get ait again! A theory I don't plan on testing!
As for legality, it is a solid safety argument, no competitive advantage. My regional tech guy approves. Other tech guys may question it.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (Track rat)
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Hope I never test it!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed!
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In my understanding, mounting the cage and seat together as a unit is the safest way to go. You won't get any argument from me on that one. I just remember a bunch of threads discussing the rules surrounding this issue, and it didn't seem like safety was the primary concern when they stipulate mounting points and seat mounting. I would prefer to have my seat mounted like yours
Hope I never test it!</TD></TR></TABLE>Agreed!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for seat mounting, the theory is that with the seat and harness bolted to a cradle, which is part of the cage; the seat will move with the cage as it deflects.
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In my understanding, mounting the cage and seat together as a unit is the safest way to go. You won't get any argument from me on that one. I just remember a bunch of threads discussing the rules surrounding this issue, and it didn't seem like safety was the primary concern when they stipulate mounting points and seat mounting. I would prefer to have my seat mounted like yours
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (Honda318dx)
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (Honda318dx)
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Let the smackin' begin.
I heard the red menace may not be back in HC 2004...I hope that's not true! This old rat wants to give you, Jason and **** a good run.
</TD></TR></TABLE> Let the smackin' begin. I heard the red menace may not be back in HC 2004...I hope that's not true! This old rat wants to give you, Jason and **** a good run.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (Track rat)
this is a silly question:
I noticed that whenever people mount the seat back brace, they bolt it to the seat. Makes sense. However, don't the bolt heads dig into your back? My seat doesn't require to be braced, but since I have the hardware for it, I'd just as soon increase safety as much as possible. But I don't want it to be uncomfortable either.
I noticed that whenever people mount the seat back brace, they bolt it to the seat. Makes sense. However, don't the bolt heads dig into your back? My seat doesn't require to be braced, but since I have the hardware for it, I'd just as soon increase safety as much as possible. But I don't want it to be uncomfortable either.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (SJR)
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My seat doesn't require to be braced, but since I have the hardware for it,
I'd just as soon increase safety as much as possible. But I don't want it to
be uncomfortable either.
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As far as I know, this is incorrect. A composite seat is designed to flex and
it is improper to fix a permanent mount to it. If you feel you must "increase"
safety in an FIA approved composite seat, I'd suggest adding a non fixed back
brace that does not physically attach to the seat w/ bolts or other fasteners.
Actually, I'd suggest you do not use a back brace if the seat does not require
it. But since I ain't that in the know, if I were concerned about additional safety,
I would contact the manufacturer before affixing anything to a composite seat.
My seat doesn't require to be braced, but since I have the hardware for it,
I'd just as soon increase safety as much as possible. But I don't want it to
be uncomfortable either.
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As far as I know, this is incorrect. A composite seat is designed to flex and
it is improper to fix a permanent mount to it. If you feel you must "increase"
safety in an FIA approved composite seat, I'd suggest adding a non fixed back
brace that does not physically attach to the seat w/ bolts or other fasteners.
Actually, I'd suggest you do not use a back brace if the seat does not require
it. But since I ain't that in the know, if I were concerned about additional safety,
I would contact the manufacturer before affixing anything to a composite seat.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (phat-S)
ahhh. Interesting. I had not thought of that. I don't feel that I must increase the safety of the seat. I have a Pro2000 seat, and the cage in the civic has the hardware built-in for the back brace. I had assumed (I know, *** of u and me... 
on me) that bracing it would make it even safer. But maybe not. thanks.
S.
on me) that bracing it would make it even safer. But maybe not. thanks.S.
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Re: Look out H2! there's a new rat in town :-p (phat-S)
Bolt heads against my back are covered with a piece of 1/2" thick minicell foam, then the seat cover. I don't feel chit.
A back brace is highly recommended with alum seats. The back brace is critical in hard lateral impacts to help the lower mounts keep the seat upright. If the forces try to move the seat to the right and the floor mounts fail, the only thing keeping you upright is a tightly stretched harness at your jugular that can cut you deeply if the forces are high enough..
Most FIA composite seats do not require a back brace.
A back brace is highly recommended with alum seats. The back brace is critical in hard lateral impacts to help the lower mounts keep the seat upright. If the forces try to move the seat to the right and the floor mounts fail, the only thing keeping you upright is a tightly stretched harness at your jugular that can cut you deeply if the forces are high enough.
. Most FIA composite seats do not require a back brace.