for a while now there has been a a thought in myhead, I was wondering what do fender braces do. do they actually help. i've search so please don't flame. I haveseen to version of fender brace for sale or pople buying. it would be the

and please as i can see the j's looks like a piece of thin sheet metal from what i se and the slex-sports ones is made of sturdy metal. please can anyone ( who had experince in these) please explain which one is better and what do they really do... thank you please don't flame...I haven't posted on this board for while.. thank you

 

I'm also very curious.

 

There is already a reinforcement gusset between the two frames. Waste of money.

Unless you get clear fenders...then it's worth it because you can show it off.

 

No one has ever provided any evidence they do anything. Except make you poorer.

 

The A-sports fender brace does so little in chassis (DC2) reinforcement that IMO is not worth the money. At the track, I might've felt something, but it could just be me trying to justify the price of it.

If the car is just for street use, don't bother...unless it's for an ek. The brace actually makes a difference on that chassis.

 

I can't seem to think how that one in the first picture would help with anything. I don't think that is a major flex area.

The one in the second pic... maybe. I would rather get some sort of radius bar unit to go under the front of the car instead of some stupid bar hidden inside the fender.

 

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That statement makes no sense.

It is clearly published (and somewhat obvious) that new chassis are much more rigid than the old one it replaces. i.e. EK is stiffer than EG, which is stiffer than EF, etc. Read any reputable car magazine and you will read how the new model compared to the old is 130% + stiffer torsionaly...blah...blah...

The DC is based on the EG chassis (1992), whereas the EK chassis is a 1996 model.

I'll be damned if Honda didn't make any structural improvement in 4 years of R&D.

 

so all i hear is bad things about these and no good things. but i don't thik j's or alex- sports would make its just for show when you really can't see it. please anyone out there. please help me out with these fender braces

 

You don't need them. They don't have a specified purpose, and no one has ever been able to show that they do anything. Spend your money elsewhere.

 

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Because even "if" they do help , there really is no way to prove it. Unless you installed them, totally gutted the car and sent the frame somewhere to be tested for chassis rigidty. But who in the right mind would do that.

The only places were renforcement can be fairly noticed is pertaining to strut bars , because yes they tie together the shock towers that can flex under high load situations.

Those braces (j's , etc0 that tie together are not a seemingly high stress area.

A roll cage would be a much better\cost effective solution

those braces "may" be uneffective, and simply add more weight.

 

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They probably do help on EFs..

and probably also help if the car's been in a wreck and has part of the front end rewelded..

maybe they help anyways. As you said, it hasn't been proven.. but keep in mind that it hasn't been proven one way or the other.

Would I use them? No. Not worth my time taking off the fender, let alone the rest of the installation. But I'm lazy.

 

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I was talking about EG/DC, and EK. but then again, i didnt' specify either. :hamma: on me.

You are right, they MAY do something, but no one has proven either way.

 

I think we can all agree that the intended purpose of the braces is to increase chassis rigidity in that specific area, with the subsequent effect of improving suspension and handling performance (which is almost always the goal when increasing chassis rigidity).

As others have said, I think it would be quite difficult to objectively determine the effects of such braces, especially since the area that they're designed to reinforce isn't necessarily a tremendous weak point in the chassis and as far as I know, there aren't many people running them. I do, however, think that it's unfair/inaccurate to say that these braces do "nothing". It would be hard to argue against the fact that they increase the rigidity of the chassis by at least some degree. Whether or not it would be noticeable to the driver is a different story, and that probably depends quite a bit on the driver, the suspension setup, the manner in which the car is being driven, etc.

I personally don't think they're a terrible idea (they'll almost definitely be going on my project car at some point), and while I can think of better ways to spend ~$180, I can also think of many worse ones as well.

 

well reguarding this . i can tell you i just want more suspension parts for my car. my car already consists of a safety 21 cage (6pt), carbing type 2 steel front strut, carbing type 1 rear, 4pt front lower tie, jdm rear 23 mm sway bar with a comptech rear tie. and i'm running on ohlins suspension.. i just want more suspension parts because i want to go road racing some time this up comig month. but i realy want is a miracle X-Brace but everywhere i look its pretty hard to find. so the next thing that came to mind was these fender braces. therefore i made this thread so i can see if they realy do anything. i have notice alot of car running the alex fender braces for example supertwins. but i don't really know if it really helps. So afterthis can anyone find a good price on a miracle x brace for me please im me. heeheee

 

I didn't mention the EF or EG b/c I haven't been in one that was equipped with a fender brace. I can only tell you from first hand experience.

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I feel the same way...which is why I don't understand why I didn't feel a difference.

Suspension setups are different on both cars, so that may have effected my comparison.