Like the title asks.

In your opinions would you rather own a B18C5 or a K20A2?

I'll narrow it down a bit.

Let's say it's in a 1992-1995 Civic and both were to remain bascially stock with at most i/h/e mods.

What would you choose, and why?

 

If I had to choose between the engines alone, k-series all day long. I`ve never driven a k-series EG though, so I can`t really comment. Also depends on what you want to do with the vehicle I suppose.

Until the k-series swaps are more common, I`d probably just stick w/ the b-series for now. I can`t stand a car I have to tinker with all the time

 

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kseries....but if no access then...


an h22 ....

i'm a huge fan of the bseries but its probably because i had no h22 experience. having the prelude i have now you can tell it has alot of potential.

 

I've sunk a crapload of money in my B series but I'd swap in a K20 in an instant if it was a toss up.

no doubt.
I cant wait to see how much hp the modified K's will produce N/A in the upcoming year.

 

K20A DC5R ITR swap all the way... I wouldn't even get a K20A2.

 

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Well I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm asking specifically about K20A2 vs. B18C5.

The K20A ITR engine is roughly $2,000.00 more than the Type S swap.

Believe me I know it'd be worth it, but I'm curious as to if people like the Type S K20A2 over the B18C5.

 

You can get a K20A DC5R swap for under $5K if you look. I know people are trying to get rid of them for awhile.

 

I'd go k20a2 without a doubt.

Reason- 2.0L motor, better r/s ratio, better flowing head, 6 speed tranny. Its starting to prove itself a worthly engine.


Modified by SpdFrk at 9:37 PM 10/24/2003

 

How can you not go K-Series? I understand about the new develpment, but parts will be there. Might as well do the swap now and start saving. For the simple fact that with a good intake, header JR(Jardine) or Comptech and good 2.5" exhuast, plus Toda Spec A's and Arias 11.5:1 OTS pistons would put out more power then just about 90% of B-Series N/A motor out there. This would drive as well as stock.

 

If the k20a dropped in like a b series there would be no question about it.
But isint there alot of fab work required to make the engine fit wich would change the handling characteristics of the car.

I remember reading somewhere that the k's are pretty light too. Whats the weight comparison?

 

K20A2 by far.

Why?

Technology, and potential.

`nuff said.

 

The K20 has roller-rockers and a timing chain...what more can you ask for?

Suprdave

 

The K20 without a doubt but it is going to be sometime before you see alot of them under the hood of hatches. And everyone knows this mostly because of cost. People will figure out the mounts and the wiring just give them so time. The K20 has already proven itself with realtime racing in their car. I believe I seen the car made 276whp . And you have to remember this motor is in the earlier stages of development and performance parts. Look at how long it took people to start making serious power with the B-series motors, The K series will overlap the b-series in power very soon. With new technology and more displacement it is obvious for it too happen.

 

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Why?

Technology, and potential.

`nuff said. </TD></TR></TABLE> yes I going that way soon enough

 

My opinion=A B18c5 in a EG

Why?=Giving the fact that the K20 is relative new, trying to find one at a decent price may be a challenge.

The other, its not a straight bolt on EG. Yes, you can come up with your own brackets, axles (don't forget the hub, custom axle without a doubt) and other mounts. But keep in mind, you have to deal with like the immoblizer, the so-call OBD-2c ecu, another words more extra sensors and harness to make everything work in a EG.

On top, the whole frontend may be too much wieght (thats a guess).

For the work, time and money, I rather just done a JDM spec H22 instead with a good flowing header, intake and exhuast. I rather do it on a EP3 chassis instead, those things need help.

-Bert

 

b18c5 just drop it in and roll. no need for custom mounts or wiring(thats a bitch).

Would this be for the street or for the track? I'll go k-series when someone can run 9.99 sec all motor with it. Until then stay b-series...there is still untapped power in the b-series as well as the h-series. lQQk at bisi...he runs low 10's on a sohc f-series....so the potential has to be there on b-series.

timing chain=toyota....and they never run that good. what was honda thinking

 

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Timing Chain is much more reliable than a Belt...plus, it wont\can't 'skip' because there is no play in it. Everyone and their daddy uses timing chains...not just toyota.

Suprdave

 

id say C5 still.
i absoutely hate the cable shifters period. i cant stand the accord/prelude and the RSX sucked too. theres so many ppl that say "aww but its got better synchros and shifts better than the H series". this comin from a former H22 owner who bought an RSX. but my experience is simple, cable shifters suck period. then u got to look at expense. these motors are goin for outrageous prices then u have to buy all the **** to make them work. PITA.
C5 bolts in, plugs in, plain and simple.
K20 has more potential no doubt about it.

 

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Let everbody else be the guinea pigs. I'd rather wait till it becomes a "plug and play" swap.

 

K20A2. I'd say it'd be cool to do it just because almost no-one has done it yet. You have a perfect chasis to start with. The frame is in PERFECT condition, so making mounts or welding in mounts won't prove to be nearly as difficult as a car with bumps and dents under the hood.

K20A2 scares some people because it's new, but technology is technology. B-series is slowly becoming outdated, and the K-series is definetely the replacement.

 

Screw it.

My B18C5 is for sale as seen in my signature.

 

Tom, I'd really like to discuss the whole K20 dealio. I've tried making posts about it and getting people's opinions on Import Lounge, but no one seems to know too much. Apparently you know a few things that the rest dont.

If you get a chance, IM me! w00t = Travismorg

 

K-series in a EP3 or DC5
B-series in a EG, EK, or DC

Just the way Honda intended, IMO.

 

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B-series in a EG, EK, or DC

Just the way Honda intended, IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>K series in all cars. Just how Honda should of done it, IMO. Wait, they are in most cars/trucks that Honda makes now. I wonder why?

 

I dont know if anyone has seen the new Honda Tuning article with the HyTech Type S in it. They did a wonder with that motor...263 whp street driven. (keeping in mind i know its built and all you are looking for is a essentially stock k20a2, but still...)

K-series is a whole new world, cant wait to see what happens in the future.

-sander