I know they'll net gains with tuning. Cam gears are added. Car has i/h/e and test pipe.

Just curious if they NEED tuning to keep from blowing up the car.....

Or what ppl's impressions were with mild cam gear and vafc tuning.....

Stock injectors.

Car seems to feel about the same driving it around.

 

thats a really mild cam isnt it? kinda like owning a b16 and putting in ITR cams? i had a b16 with ITR cams and it could have used some tuning but wasnt worried about blowing the motor. i think you should be fine but im just guessing.

 

hondata or v-afc 2 would be nice...put it on a dyno.

How come do didnt go the spec B

 

I would suggest a little VAFC tuning to get them running perfect. Trust me, a little tuning goes a long way...

 

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How come do didnt go the spec B</TD></TR></TABLE>


I have spec a's, b's, and c's. I put these in a car so I could remove and sell the itr cams. The plan is to boost on them, and I didn't want to go through the trouble of installing valvesprings when I'm most likely going to rebuild this motor shortly. Hence, no tuning (unless for fun), and why such a mild cam.

 

You planning on staying w/ stock valvetrain w/ these? I know they don't require Toda stuff just wondering what your plans were.

Edit: You answered my question while I was typing it.

 

Where's the boost?

 

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You should ask yourself that question.....

Besides, what makes you think I was talking about MY car?

Why don't you make yourself useful while at work and look up all the p/n's for that stuff in my other thread?

 

silly kids...

hint: the last thing you need with boost is more duration on the cam. Fyi, I know you guys all like the bling, but you would be better off with a set of gsr cams. Sell a set of those ******* todas (if your serious about boost) and invest in some headwork.

 

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Wrong wrong. Unless you've ever boosted on these cams, then I'm not inclined to agree with you. The duration is such that I can pretty much dial it out with the cam gears - BUT the lift is greater, and you know that boost likes lift, right?

BLING? LOL - they're under the valve cover. Nobody could see the bling if it was for such.....

 

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yeah...i dont know what i was thinking. It was stupid of me to try and help somebody out.

On a second thought, i think I would rock the toda C's with about 15lbs of boost, and for ***** and giggles mill the head about 60 thou. while I was at it...you cant have too much compression or lift.

...I give up.

 

Why wouldn't you want to tune it?

 

It's been proven that these motors LOVE long duration and high lift cams while boosting. You want as much volumetric efficiency as you can get on these motors, and if your setup is really rocking up high, you can raise the rev limiter and really wring it out for more power. Things happen so "fast" up high in the rev range that a few degrees of overlap is a VERY good thing as the momentum effects of the exhaust gas start helping more and more with cylinder filling.

BTW - don't give me that "but you'll blow the intake charge through the combustion chamber with any overlap" canned response. If you do, you obviously don't know as much about IC engines as you are putting on in this thread.

 

LoL...this thread is funny.

Kenny, if you need help, let me know.

 

KenE, u could always give the As back to me

Go with the Cs if you want to boost - like Hypertune-Mark

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=444944


Modified by kengs at 2:54 AM 10/23/2003

 

hehe ... started out with GSR cams as per pervious urban legends, but will be installing a CTR intake cam and leaving the GSR exhaust and adjusting the Toda gears for the next iteration (as soon as Leo gets me the intake cam ... and JDM valve cover for some bling, since my original is cut and dirty LOL!)

 

I was thinking about running A's anyway.....you don't need those Ken.

for the poster that says not use Toda's with boost I have spoken to Alan @ Toda regarding a drag race car they were supplying parts for adn that drag racer was going with some higher lift and duration cams.

 

yes, tune. yack made more hp on a type r wid just a header.

o and don't listen to johnny tran, he's a dumbazz...

 

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for the poster that says not use Toda's with boost I have spoken to Alan @ Toda regarding a drag race car they were supplying parts for adn that drag racer was going with some higher lift and duration cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

super!

I was not aware kenny was building a 600hp drag motor....if your not at that level, it is my firm belief you do not need any more cam. Hey, its his car...I wish him luck doing whatever he wants. Just trying to help someone out with my experiences.

Fyi, dreaming out what you 'think' will be the optimal setup on paper never works out. Real life will always prove otherwise.

 

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i agree 100%

oh, btw... ekology, whats up with you in the ITR forum y0!

 

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i agree 100%

oh, btw... ekology, whats up with you in the ITR forum y0!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Shhh!!! Its a secret!!!

Hovick- Who posts in the ITR forum because he likes writing those lines after his name on posts.

PS. Whats this I've been hearing about your new bucket?? Is it true??

 

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PS. Whats this I've been hearing about your new bucket?? Is it true?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
ya, its just a piece of junk champ white ITR... with jdm front y0!

 

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Just trying to help someone out with my experiences.
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Please post up your experiences with these cams and boost.

 

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Please post up your experiences with these cams and boost.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like I said, I forgot that you guys in Atlanta knew everything...go for it. Cant wait to see the dyno plots. Just thought I would lend my experience in tuning turbo stuff...albeit with multiple types of honda/ (other than the god of all cams...toda) cams.

Hell, I figured a guy asking for a ******* parts list to replace cams in general may need some help....not to mention asking if dyno tuning is needed for a basically glorified CTR cam.


Have fun with your burn out machine...and ill keep having fun laughing

 

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Cant wait to see the dyno plots. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Yes, please post your plots.

That is, if you can muster them between your 80's big hair/ glam rock and drinking references.

You speak of your "experience" with such, yet have referenced none of it. Where are your FACTS? I'm not interested in your opinion at this time unless they are accompanied by FACTS.

I *might* have been inclined to accept your opinion by word alone - but you have been vague (and I suspect intentionally so) in your experience with reference to these cams. You already have two distinct sources (in this thread alone), from two separate and unrelated members, to instances where bigger grinds (with greater overlap) than these have been used with positive manifold pressure. The level of success obviously has much to do with the setup and tune of the vehicle. If you follow that link kengs contributed, you can even see where I posted some incredulity there with regard to such a wild setup (cam-wise).

However, the cams are only one portion of the overall motor. I can hardly fathom how you could proceed to assume and surmise the rest of the intended setup.

Next, you say that unless it's a 600whp beast that the cams aren't needed. Read the link, nothing too crazy there.

Then you proceed to attack my perceived credibility.

LOL. I asked for the honda PART #'s so myself and others could refer back to them in the future.

I asked whether tuning was NEEDED because I honestly don't have the $ to devote to tuning this setup when it will change very quickly. I was more concerned with a lean spike somewhere in the midrange more than anything. I have seen such before - and it can be disconcerting. This is more a partial throttle/ drivability issue than anything, but then again you know that already.

Oh wait, I forgot you were only trying to "help," right? What were you going to contribute under that facade?

There is no ego here buddy. This is the internet. Try and relax.

Ok wait, now I am pissed: I hate typing this much.