....uphill thru a winding mountain road lastweek and i couldn't catch him. we went down the 1/4 mile only to see him blaze thru in 13.~ seconds. both cars were stock, but lucky for me the suby belongs to my brother.

i have to say, after some time with the subaru, i was impressed by the reported numbers. experiencing the thrill in person is even more intoxicating. i can truly understand why...the torque, the speed, the looks...why some itr owners have traded up and gone turbo. i dont blame them. this car is fantastic. But.

for me, experiencing both cars makes me appreciate my R even more, all over again. the sound of the blow-off valve is nice, but Vtec still makes my hands sweat on my jdm steering wheel my R feels more nimble and light footed, or maybe i'm just not used to the 4 wheels spinning or brutish torque. the extra doors in the back make me feel older, and i thought my wing was pretentious-the Sti takes the cake...makes me consider the mugen wing for myself to keep up.

both are fantastic cars, but their differences make what is special about each even more rewarding. i'm happy to admit that my R still looks good after 3 years, and even rarer still. even though also produced in limited numbers, i swear there's an Sti on every other corner now ready to pounce.

anyway, point of my post is that even as technology and performance thunder forward, my aging R still holds a special sanctum for me that i don't think a passing fancy will ever fill...no matter how enticing -300HP, wheew-. my friends still tell me the cabin noise is loud, and i smile and say "i know" . i just bought some mugen wheels too and suspension to keep the fever high. hope to post some pics as i am always ready to devour other pics of happy R members here on HT.

i love this car, and the Sti reminded me of it. hope i'm not the only one out there holding steady.

 

i get excited all the time driving my R. much even though i'm sure the STi is a sweet ride.

 

I sold my R for an STi, and it was hard to let go of the R. I'm enjoying the new car, and it is fun in different ways than the R. I owned both cars at the same time for about a month, and I really enjoyed being able to swap back and forth between the cars over a weekend.

Jim

 

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I watched the best top gear video on the STi, and they said it understears, unlike the evo8 which they said was like a fighter plane. Even still, I would even trade for a STi.
http://archlab.gmu.edu/~rchong/STI/movies/evo-sti/

 

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I watched the best top gear video on the STi, and they said it understears, unlike the evo8 which they said was like a fighter plane. Even still, I would even trade for a STi.
http://archlab.gmu.edu/~rchong/STI/movies/evo-sti/

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I can't speak for an STI as I've never driven one but, I have autocrossed a WRX, ITR and a Miata back to back to back and the WRX feels like a bloated pig in comparison. The turbo rush is intoxicating but, so is the raw scream of the R's Vtec crossover. I'd venture to say that the STI IS all the brute force that they claim it to be but, to me thats just the antithesis of what I enjoy and desire in a car. It took me a bit to really believe that I don't need more power, cams, whatnot, I just need to track it more frequently.

Nimble, Balanced and Predictable is the best way to describe the R's handling in stock form.

I'd get a WRX or EVO8 as a daily commuter but, I'd never get rid of the R. It is just too much fun.

 

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I watched the best top gear video on the STi, and they said it understears, unlike the evo8 which they said was like a fighter plane. Even still, I would even trade for a STi.
http://archlab.gmu.edu/~rchong/STI/movies/evo-sti/

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Remember that everything is relative. Yes, the STi does understeer in some situations. But so does the ITR. I've done two autox's in the STi now, and the only time I experienced understeer was when I went into a corner with too much speed. At any other time it is closer to neutral/oversteer. (I went through the timing lights sideways at my last autox!)

Jim

 

The ITR and the STi are two worlds apart... One is all-motor, the other is turbo; one is FWD the other is AWD, the differences go on forever ... Personally, if I could afford both cars, I'd buy an STi and keep my R. Like 1GreyTeg says, "the R is just too much fun" and in a few months, the STi's are going to be everywhere while I'lll still have a car that will be as close to "one of a kind" as you can get with a car

 

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Not to mention, in 2 years, we could probably even trade a 00 ITR for a 03 STi.

But they said in that video that the evo8 turned a faster lap time than the new Lamborgini. Thats pretty impressive.

 

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Not to mention, in 2 years, we could probably even trade a 00 ITR for a 03 STi.

But they said in that video that the evo8 turned a faster lap time than the new Lamborgini. Thats pretty impressive.


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What was it on, a go-kart track?

I'd like to know more about that.

 

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lol. It looks like an old airport that they converted into a road course.
They said the evo8 can transfer power to any wheel(s) it needs to. Under certain circumstances, its possible that only one wheel would have power going around a tight turn.

 

Yeah I always get thoughts of selling my rex.. but every morning when it's time to go to school.. I wonder how I ever got the idea of selling this car..

 

I can somewhat understand not wanting to sell the integra. It's a great car for race, always places well, and never complains about 3 straight autoX runs @ a minute each because the timing equipment screwed up

But driving a lightly modified WRX I can appreciate what AWD and torque are capable of. A few good mods, and even a stock WRX opens up. The GSR and ITR motors still need a lot of cash and time to get into the 200whp realm.

I hate to think what the $10g I spent on my integra to get it into the 13's would have done on the WRX.

 

I just recently bought the STI and I enjoyed it alot. Fortunately, I am still able to keep my R. Actually, I don't think I will sell it. I think I will use it more on the track next year. The more other high performance cars I have driven, the more I appreciate it. The STI is just simply an excellent daily driven. I put my baby boy in the back seat and the stiffness of the suspension never bothers him.

 

ITR is a great car , so is the EVo and STi . Evo is so much fun to drive and the handleling for a stock car . Imagine an Evo with 5k in to it . Is a different beast . just with a few bolt ons the car can achieve over 300whp and TQ with no problem. so 400 may take a little more but even with the amount of money that you spend on an ITR or any modded B18c it dont even compare . All motor is fun , but once you Go FI you go to the dark side lol

 

......You guys took all my words about how precious the ITR is. Now, I'm wordless and don't know what else to say about it. THANKS ALOT!!!

 

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And Rare too! I was absolutely shocked to see two different CW ITR's on the road today. I rarely see any ITR's any more, much less CW's being daily driven.

 

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You don't think it might be the difference in weight of 624 pounds?

 

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It weights 763lbs more than my mostly stock ITR.

 

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Completely different cars huh? If you feel that an R and an STI are COMPLETELY different cars please let me know what adjectives you'd use if I were to make a post comparing my R with a LeCar ?

Obviously it's not too far fetched of an idea to discuss pros/cons of each based on driving both cars else there wouldn't have been all kinds of threads on this board and others discussing the 2 cars. Are you honestly trying to say that it's not appropriate to compare the 2 cars when travelling through a round-about? Or a hairpin corner? Or driving through a series of cones?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that I can't compare 2 cars when I'm in a situation of turning off the highway on to a circular off-ramp when what matters is suspension, tires and the driver and not necessarily horsepower? (given that we're comparing an STI and an R)

You have made a false assumption that I came into this discussion thinking that I didn't know the 2 cars have different specs. Did you honestly think I was surprised that off-the-line performance would be better in the STI?

Last months Motor Trend they compared a few cars on an oval track.....corvette, gellardo, GT3 RS and a couple others. Go call up Motor Trend and tell them their idiots for including the GT3 in the comparison. Hell, we all know R's are not designed for off-the-line performance....call up Honda and tell them they shouldn't post 0-60 times since it's not appropriate to gauge a car on a specific metric for which the car was never designed to post good numbers?


Before you start mumbling about how it's ridiculous to make such a comparison do one thing for me......take 5 god damn minutes out of your incredibly busy life and ask or better yet do a little research as to what aspects are logical to be compared. You sure as hell didn't find that I was shocked that off-the-line performance was better in the STI.

Normally I wouldn't worry about responding but if someone is gonna come in and call BS on one of my comments yet it's obvious you're comments are based on little if any logic I'm gonna call BS on YOU and I'm going to revert from my normal easy-going type of guy to ******* ***** in about 2 seconds if you try and discredit a totally valid and interesting topic.

 

Sophisticated engineering &gt; Brute Turbo force

 

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Why not both

 

I really thinking to buy new 08 STI for daily use to office & throwing a set of snows on it for winter but I hope they think about option of Semi-Automatic because I can't stand to have 2 manual trans car in change of taste especially during rush hr. traffic.

 

I was about to say welcome to last year...then I checked the date.

 

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and it was closer to 5 years ago.

 

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Completely different cars huh? If you feel that an R and an STI are COMPLETELY different cars please let me know what adjectives you'd use if I were to make a post comparing my R with a LeCar ?

Obviously it's not too far fetched of an idea to discuss pros/cons of each based on driving both cars else there wouldn't have been all kinds of threads on this board and others discussing the 2 cars. Are you honestly trying to say that it's not appropriate to compare the 2 cars when travelling through a round-about? Or a hairpin corner? Or driving through a series of cones?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that I can't compare 2 cars when I'm in a situation of turning off the highway on to a circular off-ramp when what matters is suspension, tires and the driver and not necessarily horsepower? (given that we're comparing an STI and an R)

You have made a false assumption that I came into this discussion thinking that I didn't know the 2 cars have different specs. Did you honestly think I was surprised that off-the-line performance would be better in the STI?

Last months Motor Trend they compared a few cars on an oval track.....corvette, gellardo, GT3 RS and a couple others. Go call up Motor Trend and tell them their idiots for including the GT3 in the comparison. Hell, we all know R's are not designed for off-the-line performance....call up Honda and tell them they shouldn't post 0-60 times since it's not appropriate to gauge a car on a specific metric for which the car was never designed to post good numbers?


Before you start mumbling about how it's ridiculous to make such a comparison do one thing for me......take 5 god damn minutes out of your incredibly busy life and ask or better yet do a little research as to what aspects are logical to be compared. You sure as hell didn't find that I was shocked that off-the-line performance was better in the STI.

Normally I wouldn't worry about responding but if someone is gonna come in and call BS on one of my comments yet it's obvious you're comments are based on little if any logic I'm gonna call BS on YOU and I'm going to revert from my normal easy-going type of guy to ******* ***** in about 2 seconds if you try and discredit a totally valid and interesting topic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This was 4 years ago. Just let it go, man..let it go....