I'm building a new racecar and could use allittle input.What car would you chose in its stock form a 1.8l 92-93 integra or a 2.05 2.0 90-91 prelude si.What do these cars wieght in stock form and with one is faster and accelerates harder.Witch one would you pic and why. Thanks

 

What type of racing are you building the car for?

 

Start by deciding what sanctioning body and class you are interested in running. It is pretty much inevitable that, for any given class, there are a couple of cars that are particulary competitive. There also might be others that are more economical.

Step two is deciding how much money you have to spend. (Actually, this should be step zero - before the last one - but where's the fun in that?). Step 3 is finding out how much people are spending - REALLY spending - to run the class in which you are interested.

Stop here. If the amount in Step 2 exceeds the amount in Step 3, proceed to step 4 - spend money like a whoring sailor in Thailand. If you are like most of us, this is unlikely. Skip Step 4 and go to Step 5...

Step 5 - rethink your plan. Learn about other classes that you might be able to afford. Decide to autocross instead of road racing. Decide to fish rather than any racing option. Regardless, fight the temptation to do it any of the several really wrong ways that it can be done.

K

 

First read the advice above ,very good advice and very true you should go fishing before instead of racing.

But to answer the orginal question. Out of those two cars i would pick the integra better everything stock and better after market support. Plus you would spend more money using the prelude.

IMO depending on what you what to do i really dont think you should use either of those cars both are to heavy(relativily speaking).

 

I'm racing 1/2 mile oval track,my last car was a 90 vw golf and it did very well i had 2 wins 6 2nds and a few thirds and fourths.But you see the problem is those 6 secounds the vw just dont have the speed to beat this 94 ford probe that started coming so i bought a 90 prelude si but im not finding alot of mods for the 2.05 engine.The 1.8 in the integra seems to be alot more tunable if needed,these cars are all to be stock so thats why im asking opions about these cars in there stock form.I have never driven either of these cars but from what im told they are both pretty quick for there time,so whitch one would be a better car keep the prelude or sell it and find a integra

 

The prelude 2.0 engine is said by some to be the worst engine honda has ever built. There are many who would argue with that, but I think there is probably a reason why every B-series engine honda has built since the b20a (I think that's what it's called) was had a much shorter stroke. Honestly, I don't think an integra is going to be any more powerful than a 16v VW engine and the chassis in the integra is probably going to be heavier.


Modified by robbin at 8:17 PM 10/19/2003

 

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Having had the fastest VW 16v (ICSCC Production extremely similar to IT) in NW for a few years, I have to disagree. A 92-93 Integra, done up to the rules, has about 20-25 whp (possibly more with a Comptech/Rebello $$$$ motor) more than the VW 16v.

The extra weight of teg equates to around 10-13 pounds per Hp for cars that start their racing careers and participate at or just below 18 pounds pr Hp.

This is why I sold the Golf last year and am now in the process of building an ITA teg for next season.

Rick

 

Ahhh - circle track rules might change things. What are your displacement/weight rules? Is there a penalty for DOHC and/or 16v engines? As a rule of thumb, I'd run the torque-iest engine that I could legally match with an achievable minimum weight.

 

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Having had the fastest VW 16v (ICSCC Production extremely similar to IT) in NW for a few years, I have to disagree. A 92-93 Integra, done up to the rules, has about 20-25 whp (possibly more with a Comptech/Rebello $$$$ motor) more than the VW 16v.

The extra weight of teg equates to around 10-13 pounds per Hp for cars that start their racing careers and participate at or just below 18 pounds pr Hp.

This is why I sold the Golf last year and am now in the process of building an ITA teg for next season.

Rick</TD></TR></TABLE>

Another NW IT integra! That's cool. My car (and my life) is still a few years away from road racing, but I do have a time-table set out to be doing Solo I's next year, and hill-climb's and HPDE's the year after that. Road racing will hopefully enter into the picture sometime soon after that.

btw, which "generation" of integra are you building?

 

The vw i have is the 8v 1.8l not the 16v but it seemed to hold its own this past season,but its not going to do it next year.There is no wieght rule as of now but that could change over the winter,any non-turbo 4cyl is okay to use.The cars are to remain stock no modifications at all to the engines.There is a year 96 and older rule and claim rule also so thats why im looking to use one of these older cars.I was told the integra is a few hundred pounds lighter and the engines 1.8 are more reliable than the 2.0 2.05 that is in the 90-91 preludes.

 

That Integra might be good but if there is no minimum weight, think about a Nissan Sentra SE-R. They are LIGHT from the factory and more displacement. They even look like stock cars! The claim might be an issue, however...

Got a link to your rules?

Kirk

 

why not a 4th gen prelude? VTEC yo!

 

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Kirk has something with the SE-R. Its a couple of hundred pounds lighter than the Integra and has the same or similar Hp. Its classed ITS in SCCA vs. ITA for the teg.

What is the claim value? All the mentioned cars here are quite a bit more costly than an 8v Golf.

Rick

 

The claim rule is 800 for the car you get to keep the fuel cell,seat and harness.I have thought about useing a nissan se-r but they are hard to find for the price range im looking at.I already have a 90 prelude but i need an engine for it and a few other things but like i said before theres not alot of mods for this engine if i would need to get alittle more out of it thats why im leaning towards the integra.I believe it comes stock with 128 hp compared to my prelude at 140 but there seems to be a ton of aftermarket for the integra.Is the integra any lighter than the prelude

 

The 92-93 integra is rated at 140bhp stock. I'm not sure about the prelude but an integra RS weighs just over 2500 lbs. What kind of mods are you talking about? I though you said earlier the engine had to be stock.

 

800 hundred bucks isn't a whole lot to work with. Take a look at insurance auctions for a previously swacked fixer. Here's a link http://home.iaai.com/

The 90-93 Integra goes cheap at 2k and up. The 86-89 is a better place to look. The 86-87 have 113Hp/99ft/lbs torque, the 88-89 have 118/103, the 90-91 have 130/121, and the 92-93 have 140/126.

Save money, time, and effort...Claim the Probe!!!

 

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How about a 94 Probe?

 

Yes i did say that the motors must be stock but anyone that has ever raced knows how well everyone listens to that rule,so i want to be able to get more power easily if needed.I thougt about a probe but i want something different i think im going to sell the prelude and look for a 92-93 integra or a vw golf gti.

 

Ford Pinto? Ford/Mercury Capri (the old German ones)? The 2.0L engine is pretty solid.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 5racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes i did say that the motors must be stock but anyone that has ever raced knows how well everyone listens to that rule,so i want to be able to get more power easily if needed.I thougt about a probe but i want something different i think im going to sell the prelude and look for a 92-93 integra or a vw golf gti.</TD></TR></TABLE>

When your done, please post a pic, so that I can better envision what a $800 92-93 integra race car looks like. I wish you luck staying within budget.

Rick