well i was bored and lookin through the NHRA race stats and i notice that u guys could really win alot more races if u could keep parts from being broken. i know alot of pro racers are on "the edge" but damn, when ur a turbo car u could back it off some and still end up winning cause it seems that everyone breaks.

on top of that these "pro" racers (no offense but i use that term loosely) pretty much suck at the light. yeah i know, a win is a win, but better RTs could easily win ya more races once things have been backed off in the HP department and a bit of practice on the damn tree.

i look forward to things moving on in the import scene cause goin to a "pro" race kinda sux. the crews that seem to work the track take forever and with everyone breaking constantly theres constant delays.

 

I would have to agree with you.. I am not an expert at the tree but every chance I get I practice... and that is the key to racing.. and also maybe backing off the power just might save parts and headaches...

 

broken part are part of racing but with guys making new trans next year it will good... backing of power thats not drag racing we are here to faster y do you work on your car????? to go fast!!!! pro stuff well you have a class to race in and so do we....

 

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holy cow fabman, u may need to reorganize ur thoughts and get back to me on that one.

 

 

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Finally someone feels me.
I didnt get into this to moan about the parts Im gonna break which I know will happen. I got into it to go fast.-pdang

 

You WILL NOT go out break records if you are scared to break stuff...

 

who said anything about breakin records??? im talkin about keeping sponsors because u can actually win a race. actually kenny was one of the better guys at the tree consistently.

 

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well if you noticed. its always the people that don't do good are the ones who always land the big money. you got people out there like gardella and a few others who can't even get sponsors and they are the ones puttin down the #'s and always putting on a show for the crowd. i know i've been to alot of races where they were always trying to drag the event out because of such a sorry turn out,and then on top of that all the unnecessary breakage. i know breaking parts will happen ,but sometimes you just gotta know when your ***** not right.
people please make sure your ***** right BEFORE you come to an event. please don't make raceday a test and tune day for you to try out new stuff not knowing whats gonna happen.alot of people out there pinch every penny to save money just to come out to an import event and see some good racing.not take bets on the track zambonis racing up and down the track.

 

are you man or not this is drag racing we what records

 

I have to agree, on all but the first pass I ever on a pro tree, I had a considerable edge in reaction time over the "PRO racers" at Woodburn.

I figure if you're going to be a "racer" you should know how to race. I'm not talking about sitting in front of a porta tree. You would think they would be at the races as often as humanly possible.

I have dreams at night about the lights going down, Maybe I need to see a doctor??

Tom

 

1) import racing is new, parts are still in development, people are breaking parts because they are constantly pushing limits. import racing does not have 50 yrs of development behind it like domestic racing does.

2)On RT's, basically alot of people lack experience. Two yrs ago it was pretty easy for someone to build a hot rod car and come out and compete. It still is not that hard. As time passes, the cars will come closer to their limits and run similar times kinda like domestic pro stock. At this level it will be much more of a drivers race and you will see the bad drivers either learn how to drive or get eliminated.

 

well youre forgetting a few facts.... one is that you get more points for setting a new record, so obviously people are gonna be inclined to run numbers... the fans wanna see new records.. that being said I also would like to see close racing and no breakages. When the money gets better people will get their trannys and stuff figured out. Does any NHRA racer you seeon TV have a stock gear? dont think so.

two - about the lights... sure I like cutting lights on "pros" like everyone else, but the cold reality is that they have an 8 second car , and dont need to push the tree.

 

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Well, with a turbo car, theres alot more going on, when yer launching, and basically at all times. You cant just be easy (or back it off) and expect to win, because the field is competitive as ever these days. Being bad at the lights is one thing, but when yer constantly changing stuff, testing stuff, and basically seeing whats gonna break and whats not, sometimes yer not gonna have the best lights, depending on how experienced you are..Not trying to make excuses, but still.

 

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yo have those dreams to!!!

 

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Sounds like a japanese translation gone bad

 

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the doktur of engrish strikes again

 

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The broken record just lies quietly on top of the huge pile of broken parts eh?

Thats why I bracket race, Im too broke to have an endless supply of parts. Now if the money were there I would jump ship immediatly and join all you folks in the pro ranks FS-

 

I have to say that if that is what they are thinking then they are not "pros". They are depending on horsepower rather than driving skills to when a race. Dont wait until you have a person who has the same or about the same hp to cut good lights. Thats why import racing will take longer to catch up to its domestic counter parts. We have to start coming tight "at all times"...from the pits to the track.

I can see on a bye run wanting to save your motor....but if another car is staged against you, you gotta drill the tree.

just my .06 cents

 

Perfectly said!!!

I figure its just practice for when you actually really need that good light.

Tom

 

I'm with you on the broken parts. I've been to a lot of races and the Woodburn event this year had TOO many bye runs. Hey look another 18.43@48mph. As for reaction times, if you race you should be good at it. Not everybody can be great, but it's free time and it's you the driver doing work. If your an engine builder you get a little slack on the tree (Warren Johnson ) but otherwise....do you job.

Bye runs suck...

 

I'm driving a Pro-Stock car, which is pretty consistent. But I dont' ever take an easy pass on the tree (even a bye run).
My average during qualifying and early rounds is somewhere around .130
It could be better, but I'm staging very shallow for qualifying. When it comes down to eliminations against real competition, I'll roll in a few inches deeper. The E/T suffers several hunderdths...
but in last round reactions, I'm averaging around .049 in the daylight. (obviously my nighttime reaction average is better)

I'd like to know what the chassis reaction times are in the Hot Rod cars, compared to the All-Motor/Pro-Stock cars. I think my reactions could be quite a bit better, but 1.51 sixties show traction is at it's full potential, and I use a "soft" clutch, that may also be slowing vehicle 'reaction'.

It sucks that we can't really compare our FWD reactions to those of RWD race cars. We just have SOOOOOOO much roll out (oh, and there's that traction thing too). Maybe FWD cars could run on a .500 Pro-tree instead of .400
Maybe then the pros would have better reactions (too bad I'd redlight 1/2 the time).... hehe

Oh, yeah... wonder if any FWD guys are getting crazy and running big front wheel 'stagger' to get even more rollout.

 

oh yeah just to let everyone know NATE is color blind also.....I wonder how he jump starts a car

 

My car has some front wheel stagger, RF sits back just a bit. Not on purpose though. I would think a FWD with a lot of stagger would be an interesting trip down the track.