I'm planning do either all motor, change the rod, piston, etc
or
put a T04 turbo
on my H22A.

Any one got suggestion?

 

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put in forged pistons you have to sleeve the block and do a bunch more than just pistons and rods

 

yea, convert to a type S so u dont hafta sleeve anything

 

and if you are going turbo, it is a smart idea to still sleeve the block...sooo, in my opinion all motor is more fun if u have the money....

 

i went through this same battle, i decided to go turbo. Read the prelude F/I forum and then the N/A forum and see what fits your taste / budget better.

 

Why you decised to use turbo

 

Ya I went thro the battle also, after blowing my engine i decided to ditch the turbo project

 

High Compression H22A put a turbo on would blow the engine, isn't it?

 

turbo offers more bang for your bucks.. albeit a lot of bucks.. but not as much as going N/A at the same power levels.

 

I would go nitrous. 75 dry shot, no problem. No tuning issues, super consistent.

 

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No, actually you don't have to sleeve the block using forged pistons you just have to make sure they are the right size. Honda pistons and sleeves expand alot when they heat up. Forged pistons do not, if you buy forged pistons from a company that did not account for that when sizing their pistons your going to get piston slap and all sorts of bad problems. I know a guy running forged pistons on his stock-block H23 and everything is A-okay.

Since you had to ask the question turbo or NA. I'd say you should stick with bolt-ons and maybe a little nitrous. Unless your having a reputable shop do all the work, in which case it just depends on whether you want to go REALLY fast and break things, or pretty fast and break things less often.

 

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i agree, see where you want to be and how fast you want your car. What do you want out of your driving experience and what kind of driving do you expect to do. Thats what influenced my choice.

 

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No, actually you don't have to sleeve the block using forged pistons you just have to make sure they are the right size. Honda pistons and sleeves expand alot when they heat up. Forged pistons do not, if you buy forged pistons from a company that did not account for that when sizing their pistons your going to get piston slap and all sorts of bad problems. I know a guy running forged pistons on his stock-block H23 and everything is A-okay.</TD></TR></TABLE>


oh-ya, and what magical company is this? eveything has been tried not one has PROVED over time to work.

 

preluda92. ummm. bud you do realize you are arguing with joel here. he knows 10x more than you and has experienced it all to boot. just a heads up so you don't get flamed too bad.

 

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No, actually you don't have to sleeve the block using forged pistons you just have to make sure they are the right size. Honda pistons and sleeves expand alot when they heat up. Forged pistons do not, if you buy forged pistons from a company that did not account for that when sizing their pistons your going to get piston slap and all sorts of bad problems. I know a guy running forged pistons on his stock-block H23 and everything is A-okay.

Since you had to ask the question turbo or NA. I'd say you should stick with bolt-ons and maybe a little nitrous. Unless your having a reputable shop do all the work, in which case it just depends on whether you want to go REALLY fast and break things, or pretty fast and break things less often.</TD></TR></TABLE>

***puts on flame resistant suit***
Here we go guys, take cover!!!!!

Seriously though, I've researched this over a year ago and you really need to sleeve any h-series block before adding forged pistons. except for maybe Wiseco's that were specifically made (coated) to be compatible with FRM. It's not that the engine will blow up upon starting but there are pics floating around of those who ran forged without sleeving. It wasn't pretty.

 

What's the fastest time an All Motor H22 can run? and also the fastest a turbo H22 can run? Anyone knows?

 

and for the orignal question, these should get you started:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=180883

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=316373

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641038

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=619533

and thats just a few from this forum...theres still the fi and tech forums...search man

 

do you want a streetable daily driver that reliable and doesnt suck a lot of gas???

if your answer is yes, dont even consider going turbo

 

What's wrong with installing turbo?

 

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if your answer is yes, dont even consider going turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>

well my setup has been pretty reliable so far. haven't even needed to turn a single bolt except to change the oil. but yeah it does suck a lot of gas.

 

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No, actually you don't have to sleeve the block using forged pistons you just have to make sure they are the right size. Honda pistons and sleeves expand alot when they heat up. Forged pistons do not, if you buy forged pistons from a company that did not account for that when sizing their pistons your going to get piston slap and all sorts of bad problems. I know a guy running forged pistons on his stock-block H23 and everything is A-okay.

Since you had to ask the question turbo or NA. I'd say you should stick with bolt-ons and maybe a little nitrous. Unless your having a reputable shop do all the work, in which case it just depends on whether you want to go REALLY fast and break things, or pretty fast and break things less often.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are wrong.

 

How much HP and torque do All Motor usually gain?

 

a 250 whp NA prelude is pretty damn impressive, whereas a 250 whp FI lude is pretty damn common.

you're gonna get more HP out of a Turbo setup, no doubt. the question is, are you willing to take care of it?

 

even if you didnt have to....I still would....read the thead on here about the wisecos without sleeves that scarred homedudes cylinderwalls...... and just to actually add on to what i said about NA being more expensive...that is actually not true....if you go thro a total turbo engine build...you are doing the same thing with NA....the only diff is if you want a good head...be ready to pay some cash, but in my mind NA is something to be proud of if u really do it well