Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit?
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Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit?
I am considering getting some R compound tires for my stock ITR wheels (15x6).
What would you recommend as the best size and tire (co and model) for the rims?
I have my stock wheels collecting dust and would like to use them... not for sale either
These will be used only for track, no street use- so DOT is not a factor.
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What would you recommend as the best size and tire (co and model) for the rims?
I have my stock wheels collecting dust and would like to use them... not for sale either
These will be used only for track, no street use- so DOT is not a factor.
Thanks
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (Bbasso)
On the stock ITR wheels, I ran both a 225F/205R/50/15 victoracer combo and 205/50/15 victoracers all around. I used an H&R 5mm spacer in the front with the 225s, but that was more of an autocross setup. I preferred the 205's all around for track. I have never run non-DOT legal slicks, so I can't help you there.
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (travis)
225/45/15 Hoosiers or Kumhos fit very nicely in front 
You'll probably have to roll the fenders in the rear to make those work, or use 205's.
The new Hoosiers A3S04 is another choice. It has a cantilever design and has 1/2 inch of tire (on either side) of the mounting point to the rim. The 205/50/15 is HUGE and is probably as wide as the current 225/45/15.
You'll probably have to roll the fenders in the rear to make those work, or use 205's.The new Hoosiers A3S04 is another choice. It has a cantilever design and has 1/2 inch of tire (on either side) of the mounting point to the rim. The 205/50/15 is HUGE and is probably as wide as the current 225/45/15.
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (Bbasso)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These will be used only for track, no street use- so DOT is not a factor.
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If DOT approval is really not a factor Goodyear, Avon, Michelin make great slicks - no good for AX however.
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</TD></TR></TABLE>If DOT approval is really not a factor Goodyear, Avon, Michelin make great slicks - no good for AX however.
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (Lo-Buck EF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lo-Buck EF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">race tire......may want to get a baffled oil pan as well. keep everything well oiled.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats a must on the track , can save you from a mayor headache
thats a must on the track , can save you from a mayor headache
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (GokuSSJ4)
I'm thinking of a road course tire, what kind... I am going to take your suggestions and use the most popular one.
I know a baffled pan would be great to have- but I don't want to give Acura's warranty dept any reason to deny me on any possible claims that might come up- its a trade off I know (safety of motor vs Warranty 7/75) and i'm only at 43,400.
So without going completely too big or the 6 inch width what tire would be the best for the track?
Is it true that a R compound thats 195 will be better then a 205 street tire?
I would think so for max grip...
Thanks for tossing some Ideas up.
I know a baffled pan would be great to have- but I don't want to give Acura's warranty dept any reason to deny me on any possible claims that might come up- its a trade off I know (safety of motor vs Warranty 7/75) and i'm only at 43,400.
So without going completely too big or the 6 inch width what tire would be the best for the track?
Is it true that a R compound thats 195 will be better then a 205 street tire?
I would think so for max grip...
Thanks for tossing some Ideas up.
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (Bbasso)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know a baffled pan would be great to have- but I don't want to give Acura's warranty dept any reason to deny me on any possible claims that might come up- its a trade off I know (safety of motor vs Warranty 7/75) and i'm only at 43,400.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd also like to suggest a baffled pan... IMHO, the stock pan isn't sufficient on a road course even with stock tires (Azenis in my case)... ask me how I know
I'd also like to suggest a baffled pan... IMHO, the stock pan isn't sufficient on a road course even with stock tires (Azenis in my case)... ask me how I know
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (Bbasso)
My opinion is that I think it's a bit late in the season for you to spend a chunk of $$$ on R compounds just to run them once or possibly twice and have to bag them up and store them for next year which BTW is OK but, not the best thing to do.
Both 205 and 225 tires will fit, you won't need to roll the fenders as someone mentioned. I ran/run 225/45/15's with very little rubbing issues.
The issue about size on the 6" wide stock rims is the squareness of the tire. While many R owners report a squirm or more vague feeling with turnin when they put just the 205/50/15 Azenis or similar tire on as a replacement, the feel or squirm is directly related to how the tire fits the wheel or doesn't quite fit if you get my drift. The 225/45's will be even more out of square and at least just as much squirm, I'd hypothesize.
I solved the turn in issue by, just running 7" wide Kosei rims up front, stock rims in rear with 205/50/15 Azenis all around. Turn in is great, problem solved.
If you can get your hands on a set of USED either 205/50's, 225/45's or 225/50's and run them for your last DE or so, you'd get a good feel for the R comp tire and have an idea what you'd want to do next season PLUS, you'd save a bit of money.
Although I ran used Hoosier R3so3's I'm sure rodney would agree that depending on the use and abuse of these particular tire. I wouldn't suggest running them used. Khumo V700's tend to be more robust in the used catagory. The Toyo Ra1's are also a decent bet and have a positive following. I have not driven on them however and cannot comment, nor can I comment on Yokohama A032R's.
The other issue is the season which we are in. It's colder and tends to be wet. Now, while R comps are decent in wet, as long as there is no pooling, they tend to take more time to heat up to grip, and knowing how you tend to drive (agressively), I'd say hold off and use a set of Azenis. As a matter of fact, Limerock last year in the cold and wet is the first, actually second performance driving I did on them, the first was the day before at an autocross just to get used to them and scuff them in, and I was extremely impressed with them, especially for the price. I had just come off of the Hoosier's at that point, but they were too far gone and were corded in multiple spots.
If you are really into R comps, then check the classifieds here for some used ones, or even the home NASA site on their chat boards where all things race tend to get sold and bought.
Or you could wait till next season and order a brand new set with me.
Personally I say play it safe, save some money this season and the tires, and wait till next spring.
As per 195/55's Vs. the 205/50's, you are back to the tire squirm and squareness issue. One is not better than the other. Both are good sizes for the car, 195/55 is the stock size, and your most popular replacement tire for HPDE for the ITR is the Azenis sport which happens to be 205/50/15 and a bit wider than similar sized competing tires, so turnin is affected, but, read above again abouthow I solved this issue.
Both 205 and 225 tires will fit, you won't need to roll the fenders as someone mentioned. I ran/run 225/45/15's with very little rubbing issues.
The issue about size on the 6" wide stock rims is the squareness of the tire. While many R owners report a squirm or more vague feeling with turnin when they put just the 205/50/15 Azenis or similar tire on as a replacement, the feel or squirm is directly related to how the tire fits the wheel or doesn't quite fit if you get my drift. The 225/45's will be even more out of square and at least just as much squirm, I'd hypothesize.
I solved the turn in issue by, just running 7" wide Kosei rims up front, stock rims in rear with 205/50/15 Azenis all around. Turn in is great, problem solved.
If you can get your hands on a set of USED either 205/50's, 225/45's or 225/50's and run them for your last DE or so, you'd get a good feel for the R comp tire and have an idea what you'd want to do next season PLUS, you'd save a bit of money.
Although I ran used Hoosier R3so3's I'm sure rodney would agree that depending on the use and abuse of these particular tire. I wouldn't suggest running them used. Khumo V700's tend to be more robust in the used catagory. The Toyo Ra1's are also a decent bet and have a positive following. I have not driven on them however and cannot comment, nor can I comment on Yokohama A032R's.
The other issue is the season which we are in. It's colder and tends to be wet. Now, while R comps are decent in wet, as long as there is no pooling, they tend to take more time to heat up to grip, and knowing how you tend to drive (agressively), I'd say hold off and use a set of Azenis. As a matter of fact, Limerock last year in the cold and wet is the first, actually second performance driving I did on them, the first was the day before at an autocross just to get used to them and scuff them in, and I was extremely impressed with them, especially for the price. I had just come off of the Hoosier's at that point, but they were too far gone and were corded in multiple spots.
If you are really into R comps, then check the classifieds here for some used ones, or even the home NASA site on their chat boards where all things race tend to get sold and bought.
Or you could wait till next season and order a brand new set with me.
Personally I say play it safe, save some money this season and the tires, and wait till next spring.
As per 195/55's Vs. the 205/50's, you are back to the tire squirm and squareness issue. One is not better than the other. Both are good sizes for the car, 195/55 is the stock size, and your most popular replacement tire for HPDE for the ITR is the Azenis sport which happens to be 205/50/15 and a bit wider than similar sized competing tires, so turnin is affected, but, read above again abouthow I solved this issue.
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (Lo-Buck EF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lo-Buck EF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.may want to get a baffled oil pan as well. keep everything well oiled.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Now this is a great suggestion that I've thought of but, not really researched.
Who offers a good quality affordable one?
I've seen the Mugen or was it Spoon pan posts and wasn't truely impressed with them for the price.
What else is out there for the B series?
Good idea BTW Spenc
Now this is a great suggestion that I've thought of but, not really researched.
Who offers a good quality affordable one?
I've seen the Mugen or was it Spoon pan posts and wasn't truely impressed with them for the price.
What else is out there for the B series?
Good idea BTW Spenc
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (1GreyTeg)
hey bbasso, i have some fairly new toyo ra1 in 205 15. they can be yours for the r-speed special price of 250 for the set.
1greyteg-spoon and mugen both make pans i believe. i think yack from p1 auto made one and it looked pritty much like the higher end peices. but at any rate, they are out there. do a search and im sure u should find something.....or start a new thread on baffled pans.
spenc....who doesnt care about blowing up cheap single cams
1greyteg-spoon and mugen both make pans i believe. i think yack from p1 auto made one and it looked pritty much like the higher end peices. but at any rate, they are out there. do a search and im sure u should find something.....or start a new thread on baffled pans.
spenc....who doesnt care about blowing up cheap single cams
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecturbo.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for those people with 225/50 or 225/45 on 15" wheel. Don't they rub in hard turn?
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225/45/15's here,
Lock to lock, yes. But you shouldn't be turning like that in either autocross or roadcourse driving. The rear LCA's get rubbed a bit also.
An easy solution would be spacers, but, my rubbing issue isn't so much that it warrents that, I'm just melting a bit of plastic in the front and scuffing the rear LCA's. Now, when I do an aftermarlet suspension, that will change things a bit, and I might then need spacers at that time.
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225/45/15's here,
Lock to lock, yes. But you shouldn't be turning like that in either autocross or roadcourse driving. The rear LCA's get rubbed a bit also.
An easy solution would be spacers, but, my rubbing issue isn't so much that it warrents that, I'm just melting a bit of plastic in the front and scuffing the rear LCA's. Now, when I do an aftermarlet suspension, that will change things a bit, and I might then need spacers at that time.
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on ek u can fit 225 up front w/o rubbing as long as u have the right offset. ull prolly rub in the rear on the trailing arm, but everyone does and its usually not bad
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lo-Buck EF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on ek u can fit 225 up front w/o rubbing as long as u have the right offset. ull prolly rub in the rear on the trailing arm, but everyone does and its usually not bad</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you talking about +35 or lower offset?
well Kumho Victoracer v700 only makes 225/50 not 225/40 or 225/45 for 15"
It would be nice to be able to fit 225/50-15 on my +40 offset wheel
Anyone has any experience?
Are you talking about +35 or lower offset?
well Kumho Victoracer v700 only makes 225/50 not 225/40 or 225/45 for 15"
It would be nice to be able to fit 225/50-15 on my +40 offset wheel
Anyone has any experience?
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It would be nice to be able to fit 225/50-15 on my +40 offset wheel
Anyone has any experience?</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, if you are referring to a kumho, you will not have any problems. why are you going 50 series anyway? why not 45?
It would be nice to be able to fit 225/50-15 on my +40 offset wheel
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well, if you are referring to a kumho, you will not have any problems. why are you going 50 series anyway? why not 45?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecturbo.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have civic ek does 225/40 or 215/45 fits? without rub?
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neither one of those sizes are available in r compund in a 15"
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecturbo.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have 15" wheel. what would be the best size for autocross.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
on a honda product, 15" wheel is the best imho. what class do you run?
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neither one of those sizes are available in r compund in a 15"
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on a honda product, 15" wheel is the best imho. what class do you run?
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Re: Stock 15X6 wheels, what size R compouns to fit? (Lo-Buck EF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lo-Buck EF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey bbasso, i have some fairly new toyo ra1 in 205 15. they can be yours for the r-speed special price of 250 for the set.
1greyteg-spoon and mugen both make pans i believe. i think yack from p1 auto made one and it looked pritty much like the higher end peices. but at any rate, they are out there. do a search and im sure u should find something.....or start a new thread on baffled pans.
spenc....who doesnt care about blowing up cheap single cams
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if rob doesn't take you up on the offer, i might be interested in the tires.
anton - i might end up ordering a mugen oil pan when winter rolls around.
1greyteg-spoon and mugen both make pans i believe. i think yack from p1 auto made one and it looked pritty much like the higher end peices. but at any rate, they are out there. do a search and im sure u should find something.....or start a new thread on baffled pans.
spenc....who doesnt care about blowing up cheap single cams
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if rob doesn't take you up on the offer, i might be interested in the tires.
anton - i might end up ordering a mugen oil pan when winter rolls around.
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neither one of those sizes are available in r compund in a 15"
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Yes i just checked kumho only makes 225/50-15 not 40 or 45 series
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on a honda product, 15" wheel is the best imho. what class do you run?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I run SM class and always got beaten by M3 lightweight and WRX
but that's ok I will have to build my skills to beat those people.
so you actually have 225/50-15 installed on your civic?
neither one of those sizes are available in r compund in a 15"
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Yes i just checked kumho only makes 225/50-15 not 40 or 45 series
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on a honda product, 15" wheel is the best imho. what class do you run?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I run SM class and always got beaten by M3 lightweight and WRX
but that's ok I will have to build my skills to beat those people.
so you actually have 225/50-15 installed on your civic?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecturbo.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yes i just checked kumho only makes 225/50-15 not 40 or 45 series
I run SM class and always got beaten by M3 lightweight and WRX
but that's ok I will have to build my skills to beat those people.
so you actually have 225/50-15 installed on your civic? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Uhh, He can speak for himself but, I'll say that I run his used tires and they are 225/45/15's both the set of Hoosiers and Kumho V700's.
Here's a link to The Tire Rackack which lists the size in question:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...&y=13
Yes i just checked kumho only makes 225/50-15 not 40 or 45 series
I run SM class and always got beaten by M3 lightweight and WRX
but that's ok I will have to build my skills to beat those people.
so you actually have 225/50-15 installed on your civic? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Uhh, He can speak for himself but, I'll say that I run his used tires and they are 225/45/15's both the set of Hoosiers and Kumho V700's.
Here's a link to The Tire Rackack which lists the size in question:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...&y=13
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I think we are talking about 2 different set of tires here
I was talking about Victoracer V700 not Ecsta V700
I read on the review that Ecsta V700 isn't worth buying when compare to Victoracer at the same price.
so 225/50-15 is my only choice for victoracer but if I have a $1000 to spend just on tire? sure I would buy hoosiers anyday.
I was talking about Victoracer V700 not Ecsta V700
I read on the review that Ecsta V700 isn't worth buying when compare to Victoracer at the same price.
so 225/50-15 is my only choice for victoracer but if I have a $1000 to spend just on tire? sure I would buy hoosiers anyday.
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I've ran on 205/50/15 and 225/50/15 kumho V700s on the stock 6" rims in every combination except for 205f and 225r (obviously) and here are some thoughts.
IMO 205s all around is marginally better for the track using the 6” rims. First they do give a little better gearing (smaller overall diameter than the 225/50s) and are less of a drag on the straights. Also since a 225 tire becomes quite rounded when mounted on a 6", the extra tire width that physically comes in contact to the ground is just slightly larger than running the 205 on the 6". (Running a 225 on a 7" will however have a wider contact patch because the tire will sit flatter on the rim instead of ballooning up.)
For autox I personally liked the 225f/205r combo the most. The slightly wider contact patch of the 225s in the front plant the front end better, while the 205 is all you need in the back. Running 205s all around made the car understeer more, particular when trying to get through the slow, long turns. While 225s all around seemed as if the car was carrying too much tire on the back for no reason. Of course the main drawback of a 225/205 combo is not being able to rotate the tires. Hope this helps. Good luck!
IMO 205s all around is marginally better for the track using the 6” rims. First they do give a little better gearing (smaller overall diameter than the 225/50s) and are less of a drag on the straights. Also since a 225 tire becomes quite rounded when mounted on a 6", the extra tire width that physically comes in contact to the ground is just slightly larger than running the 205 on the 6". (Running a 225 on a 7" will however have a wider contact patch because the tire will sit flatter on the rim instead of ballooning up.)
For autox I personally liked the 225f/205r combo the most. The slightly wider contact patch of the 225s in the front plant the front end better, while the 205 is all you need in the back. Running 205s all around made the car understeer more, particular when trying to get through the slow, long turns. While 225s all around seemed as if the car was carrying too much tire on the back for no reason. Of course the main drawback of a 225/205 combo is not being able to rotate the tires. Hope this helps. Good luck!