Not sure who to bring this up to, specifically which moderators, or even which forum for public opinions, but I'll ask it here since its most affects this forum. I say that simply because I believe the rest of the whole Honda-Tech website and users believes this "Road Race/Autocross" forum to be the place to ask SPECIFICALLY suspension questions. Since suspension in general, especially Honda since its *almost* universally double wishbone, can be generalized between platforms (ie EF, EG, DC), its not ideal to just ask one platform specific forum about suspension. BUT, and maybe I'm just alone in this, that this "Road Race/Autocross" forum is NOT ABOUT SUSPENSION, except for as it specifically pertains to "Road Race/Autocross" (and HPDE). So therefore I suggest that the those in control of Honda-Tech simply create a Suspension forum, to centralize suspension specific information and discussion. Heck, theres separate discussion AND classified forums on Turbo and NA. I really think this would benefit and elevate the level of discussion here on this forum, as well as benefit those who are simply asking for opinions and advice on suspension that may not specifically relate to competition and track application. this is not about "eliteism" or arrogance and not wanting to be helpful. contrary i think this helps more people and helps each forum stay on topic.

what say you?


Modified by Tyson at 6:39 PM 10/8/2003

 

I'd be open for the idea - but usually this is what happens

 

but see, i dont think its totally helpful to anyone to punt threads out of one forum and into some other. if its a specifically suspension question, why couldnt we send it to a specifically suspension discussion forum. thats my point. its not simply about cleaning up this forum, i think thats fine as is quite frankly, i just want to see others who have legitimate questions get their proper answers.

 

In general I like the idea of a suspension specific forum, however, I can't get past the idea that it will turn into a "ricer" forum about slamming the car and such. Thats not what I would want, but it would probably be a benifit to others. This is the only forum I visit regularly on the HT board. So depending on how the discussion went after a while I may or may not visit the forum. My vote would be to try it. A lot of people could probably learn a lot in such a forum.

 

i just spoke to RJ about this, if thats what they want to talk about, how to effectively lower their cars, thats up to them, but its still legitimate discussion. there should be a place for it.

 

Doesn't "slizzamming" a car for appearance reasons fit quite well into the appearance forum(... there is such a thing right?)

If you're lowering for competition purposes then this is the spot to ask. If you're lowering to canyon carve with the midnight club...well, I don't really give a rats *** if you have nowhere to post you're question.

I like being able to visit one forum and see everything I need to see from RR98ITR's latest insight into the human condition, to HPDE pics, to susp. tech. to HC smack talking (which I don't get but read anyway).

Just my $.02

 

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Thats not quite the purpose of the appearance forum - but if they want to lower the car, and do it right - so they're not bouncing around down the road pogo'ing off the bumpstops everywhere (makes it hard to get "play" and "kick game" - you can be like this guy if your **** handles good) - then there could be a more appropriate place to ask other than here. Sort of like the All Motor forum, as there's already a drag racing and model specific forum for whatever engine you're using.

 

Is the intention to move competition related suspension questions to that forum as well? I just worry about competition questions being answered by "experts" in other fields. For instance, being encouraged to buy shiny JDM threaded-body dampers for IT.

 

no, it is not the intention. at least i sure hope not - i dont think Lee will mix it up with the stunnas too well

RJ - who's going to plant a v1z0r on Lee's head and snap a pic next time he see's him

 

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Okay, I'm down.

 

Funny....

I thought if you drive a CRX you ask in that forum.
You drive an EG (or whatever), you ask in that forum.
And so forth.

However, sifting through all the Bull Plop, is a pain in the ***.

Once in a while, someone with some knowledge helps.

What most users don't understand, is that most of the info is already here, or out there, and they need to search for it.

 

i think it's fairly obvious when people are asking about how to "slizam" (also the title to shaq's new movie ) their car vs a suspension setup that provides neutral handling on throttle and slight oversteer upon throttle lift.

i think we already weed out most of them. it goes something like this:

sTuNnA: what's the best susp setup for my 92 civic?

us: what's it being used for?

sTuNnA: mostly street use, i'm thinking of maybe (now covering his ***) getting into autox

us: drive your car stock first if you seriously want to become a good driver.


done. on to the next.

 

yes but the problem is they already made up their mind to lower the car for looks - these dont look quite right at stock ride height:



And they really arent looking for trouble, they want to lower the car without the adverse effects. Well most at least.

 

I'd be perfectly happy with a suspension forum, but I don't plan on using it since my only suspension concerns are 4x4 or track related. I'm not sure that we need one since appearence, car specific, and competition pretty much cover the three reasons to talk about suspension. If you look at suspension threads in the civic or integra forums, they're pretty reasonable for the non-competition related stuff, and the poster is usually pretty clear (even if you have to read between the lines) as to what they want to accomplish with their suspension work. What I'm saying is, if I had a prelude that was a daily driver and I wanted to upgrade the OEM suspension, my first thought would be to go to the prelude forum. And even though my CRX only drives on the track, I ask many of my CRX related questions in the CRX forum if it doesn't have to do with racing. That's what the car-specific forums are for.

I think the key would be to ask the car specific forums if they want a suspension forum, since those are the folks that would use it.

 

unfortunately, this isnt exactly how it works with a lot of ppl. they WANT to go autox, even though they never have, but really they just want to upgrade their suspension for their daily driver, so they come here. they hear they should get some JDM "coilovers" and come here to ask, and RJ locks it.

"we" all know whats a sensible suspension question, because most of us actually do autox and have track experience. but most ppl really dont and dont have anywhere else other than their specific platform forum to ask, but why not combine all the platforms for a place to discuss similar equipment.

anyway, this really isnt as big a deal to me as the effort im trying to explain, so whatever. if you guys cant see any usefulness past your own for another specific forum, then thats fine with me.

 

For what this is worth Tyson and .RJ-other places DO have a suspension specific forum. Yes, they can get the "ricer" type of question. I am not interested in the "show scene" any more than Travis is with our CRX projects. Most of us who contribute in this forum know the parts permitted for track/HPDE/autocross. The application and reasons behind those components is the real issue. Any car that is lowered need to have some level of revision of the suspension in order to restore it to stock settings or even to obtain adjustability for racing. The alternative in my mind is to continue to lock out threads that are "appearance" related.

 

I think it's a great idea. This forum could send 'ambassadors' in there every once in a while to provide POSITIVE tech info, to try to help them see the light. In the meantime, there would be fewer PO'd people here.

As annoying as the blingstunnarimzYo thing is, a PILE of those people are middle-class kids that are going to grow up and have real jobs some day. We may not want to alienate them any more than necessary since the fact that they can identify a coilover at 50 paces makes them prime fodder for race entries 20 years from now.

Besides, I want to see Lee in a visor. I can picture him being sort of like the "old surfer dude," sharing his damper secrets behind the QuickieMart, all Yoda-like over a 40 ouncer: "Aaah. Not yet ready for two-way adjustability are you..."

K

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=642635

I think this is a good example I know these types of questions are asked alot but this thread is asking specific spring rates.......where else would you ask it......I f I asked a question like that in the Prelude forum all I would get back is sell your SH and buy a fourth Gen..............or get the JIC's cuz they're mad tyte JDM

 

I think people come to the RR/AX forum due to the perception of something like "Results talk, Bullshit walks" that comes from actually competing and measuring your performance empirically..

Before I found this forum, I lurked/participated in several other boards that had suspension forums, and the person speaking from competition experience was rare. Most of the content was regurgitation of marketting-type information and prejudice. I'm not sure if H-T's hypothetical suspension forum would be any different.

I'd personally _really_ hate to see an autocross suspension question getting booted to the suspension forum.. especially if it has a more image, less results-oriented culture.

 

Good idea.

And I still believe that legitimate racing suspension questions will get answered here. Just as a legitimate racing engine related question get answered here now, despite the fact that there are no less than THREE engine forums, n/a, turbo, hybrid...

Can even call it the Suspension and Tire forum and maybe get rid of the annoying "What's a good street tire? is a 225-35-18 Parada any good?" questions we get here regularly...

 

a poor example (making it a good one perhaps) of this is 'the skidpad' on clubsi. it's a non-specific suspension forum. a quick peek makes it pretty clear what the majority of users need it for:
'kyb vs tokico'
'how low is too low?'
'rubbing on 19's?'
'post pics with your sportlines'

there are a few members who post relevant rr/ax info, but you have to wade through a bunch of crap to get to it. in time, a suspension forum here would have a great deal of info for all levels of users - as long as they searched properly. in the meantime it would keep all the 'best set up for ___' threads out of here, which would keep rj's keyboard cooler.

i vote yes, but i doubt i would use it.

 

no, i dont mean to say that ANY suspension talk should be sent to the "suspension" forum, if its specifically relevent to RRAX, then it should be discussed here. im just talking general talk for general use.

 

maybe make a sub category in autocross/road racing... i.e
Tech Forum
-Road Racing/Autocross
~Suspension Set-ups
~Engine Set-ups
~Wheel and tire choice

 

I've thought the same thing many times. In fact, every time someone wanders in pretending that they're going to be autocrossing their car, or that they're setting it up for some "canyon carving".

Most boards do have a suspension forum, and yes, they're somewhat non-technical, but MOST of the suspension discussion on this site is non-technical as well.

 

The suspension forum is not going to do anyone any good if the questions aren't getting answered. People ask questions here simply because of its members. Why would they post here instead of their vehicle specific foum? That's why you always get the "I may autocross later" cover-up. The idea of ambassadors is great...so long as you're not the one who has to deal with it. The most intelligent people are in this forum, which is why I like reading about everything here from technical discussion to the humerous off-topic **** (dumb people aren't funny).

There's a "second tier" of people who frequent RR/AX forum yet aren't part of the "First name basis community" here but still have the appropriate technical knowledge to answer the basic questions that arise (*raises hand*). Eventually, the regulars don't even have to look at a basic question because someone else (second tier) will answer it, and everyone can get back to the Off-Topic discussion, which is the reason why we really are on this board anyway.