I know that some of you are going to think that I should go to the Hybrid forum, but I'm not going to for the simple reason that these have nothing to do with the swap, or anything del Sol related, but rather with the Prelude engine and transmission itself.

First, I am wondering if it is normal for the transmission to feel a bit different than that of my D16 tranny...almost notchy at some times. Nothing grinds, it just feels really easy to move the shifter, but putting it in gear feels a bit different. Is this due to the tranny using shift linkage unlike other trannies?

Also, is there anything I should do, or not do for that matter, to try and make sure that this tranny lasts a while? I know that the Preludes supposedly have weak synchros...


Modified by explosive at 6:17 AM 10/8/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by explosive &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know that some of you are going to think that I should go to the Hybrid forum, but I'm not going to for the simple reason that these have nothing to do with the swap, or anything del Sol related, but rather with the Prelude engine and transmission itself.

First, I am wondering if it is normal for the transmission to feel a bit different than that of my D16 tranny...almost notchy at some times. Nothing grinds, it just feels really easy to move the shifter, but putting it in gear feels a bit different. Is this due to the tranny using shift linkage unlike other trannies?

Also, is there anything I should do, or not do for that matter, to try and make sure that this tranny lasts a while? I know that the Preludes are pretty much like glass when it comes to the transmission. </TD></TR></TABLE>

...... how incorrect. Other than the syncro's, there's really nothing in that tranny that should go period. Even most pro guys running H series motors use the stock tranny with really nothing special done to them. I've heard them called bullet-proof many, many times. my brother is pushing around 280 whp and nearly 300 ft/lb on the stock tranny, not sure what Gude and XES are pushing but IIRC their trannys are stock or damn near (guys, correct me if I'm screwin that up lol).

 

You make a good point, but is it normal then for the transmission to feel a bit different when shifting? Because it does. No grinding like I said, at any RPM's, but still, it feels a bit stiffer than I am used to.

As far as calling my car a del Slow...it sure as hell isn't that slow anymore...that H22 really gives the car some major torque.

 

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And you call yourself a moderator, you should be ashamed of yourself =P

 

BTW...I'm hoping that no one took my comment about the tranny being fragile the wrong way. I'm not hating, keep in mind that I'm in the same boat as you guys...we got the same engine, just different cars.

 

I've also heard of the M2A4 being bulletproof, so for it's worked very well for me, hmo.com . Wish I could say I could vouch for the M2B4, no lsd for me.


Modified by 4gen at 10:08 AM 10/8/2003

 

Yeah, so the transmission can handle a lot of power...that's good...even though I just wanna do a light NA build-up. The thing that concerns me is the synchros themselves...everyone is saying that all it will take is one night of quick shifting and I can expect 5th gear, reverse, and possibly 3rd gear, to all either go out on me or grind like crazy.

Is this true? Or is this just a bunch of hype?

 

bah.

I've nearly powershifted the heck out of mine, barely on the clutch peddle while I rip it into gear. 5th is the only one that's ever given me a headache, but it was that way since nearly the day I got it. Just don't force it into 5th. Let it slide it its self. Sometimes if I stop just right, it's hard to get into 1st. Again, I just apply pressure and let the clutch out, it goes right in. Other than that I don't have a problem, and I've even mis-shifted (ok actually let the clutch out too soon lol) at the track and have grinded my 2nd and 3rd gears quite a few times. No trouble with them.

Change the fluid and see if that doesn't smooth things out a bit for you. I'd use the Honda MTF, but there's been quite a few people here who have had good luck using the GM SyncroMesh

 

d16 is one of hondas smaller single cam motors. the h22 is extremely larger. your just use to the smaller motor.... if you go back to the single cam your going to agree.

 

Yeah I think it is what you guys said, bigger engine...things are getting smoother as time goes on though, and I know that the transmission has good lube in it, I made sure of that. I went at it on the freeway and well, nothing went wrong at all, nice and smooth, except for when my clutch grabs the car real hard. But, ACT Stage II clutches will do that to you.

Just wondering though, what would a tranny rebuild run if the synchros do start wearing out?

 

so far I've gone through 2 h23a1 trannys cause my 3rd gear syncro went out on me. it costs too much to rebuild so I'd just buy used. Anybody have a h22a tranny they wanna sell me?

 

Hmm...I always heard that it was just a better idea to rebuild than buy a new tranny. Mainly because you don't know if the one that you're getting is going to need to be thrown out itself.

 

The notchy feeling you are describing is the difference between the direct linkage (d series) and cable linkage which is what the F/H trannies have

the H tranny IMO is inferior to the b series trannies

the H tranny does not like lots of high RPMs (8k+)

and as far as its strength, I dont think its anything special or "bulletproof"

 

Ive never heard of any Honda Tranny being more bullet-proof than another... hmmm

The difference you are feeling in the shifting is the difference between a solid bar from the del sol, and 2 cables from the prelude. Cable Shift is much much smoother, but In my opinion they are not as fun to shift.

 

only problem i've ever had with mine is 5th gear. for some reason it always wants to grind while i'm on the highway .

so a h22 del go eh? friend on mine has one and we can't get traction till 3rd, and once while racing on the highway he launched and it went sideways . i think it's because he's a shitty driver and it's all still stock suspension .

 

Yes...traction is an issue. And it's scary because I have no rev limiter. But if I take it easy on the takeoff, and then just floor it at around 4k...it'll take off with no wheelspin, but when I shift to second fast, it'll start spinning again, and then I'll chirp third gear.

I was showing this to a girl last night after she asked me to take the highway home to see what it could do (I was shocked a girl wanted to see this). But all she said afterwards was "this thing is a monster." I'm very pleased with it though...really nice and smooth for daily driving, it's just the going fast thing that makes it a little crazy.

 

GM Syncromesh stops 5th gear grinding

 

Hmm...well, no 5th gear grind yet...it's going in just as nice and smooth as the other gears...so I'm not going to worry all that much. Hell, I even shifted into 5th at higher RPMs than usual and still no grind.

 

yeah i have the infamous 5th gear grind, if i'm high in the
rpm's in fourth i just double clutch it
note to self-----switch to gm synchromesh

 

I know this thread is old, but I am hoping that someone here can answer my question concering the shifter cables. What cables did you use and did you route them specially? The cables I am using are a few inches too short (95 accord cables).

 

what are you putting the swap in...i had to drop my cradle a few inches and route them over it to make it get right to it....and the cradle bolts back up where it should be and no problems shifting at all.....and as for the other guys i work at chevrolet and put some syncromesh in there and yes it does stop the grinding....but dont put a clutch disc type lsd in there or else you just threw all that money down the drain....synchromesh is supposed to be so great but even our rear end man that has specialized in rear ends for about 50 years now doesnt use it for the mere fact every vehicle he puts it in the vehicle comes back with some type of bearing noise....so just to let you guys know...but as far as hondas it is some great ****!!!

 

ahhh welcome to the wonderful world del sol h series swaps
I noticed the same thing with my tranny when I did my swap, completely normal.