I've been a member for a while, but have never really had the ***** to ask a question on here. I'm always afraid you guys will tear me a new one, but I really need to know how to do this.

I have a 97Civic HBwith only a 5zigen exhust. My friend just bout a 95 Civic HB with a GSR motor in it. The only other mod it has is a full catback exhaust.

I have another friend who has an extra LS motor laying around (it's not stolen, he own's his own car shop).

Is there anything I can do to this LS motor to be able to beat the GSR, or am I just going to have to accept a loss.

I don't want to run a turbo, or LS/VTEC. I want something very dependable that I don't have to worry about breaking down on me.

Thank you.

 

what is your budget?

you cant be fast without getign some newer go fast goodies

you really need to get at least a swap if you want to be faster than your buddy

 

If its going to be dirt cheap or free for the LS motor, just spray it. There are plenty more out there.

 

well first off it all depends on how much money u have to spend....lets say in the ball park of around 3 or 4 grand u could get a B18C5 or a B16A put a type r head on b16 block with cams valves springs etc....SI tranny Headers 2 1/2 inch exhaust intake and all your other bolt on accesories.......Chip the computer for high RPM small light weight rims....so enough with my ideas come up with your own and build a quick engine......


rida 4 life

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hookeduphatch95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well first off it all depends on how much money u have to spend....lets say in the ball park of around 3 or 4 grand u could get a B18C5 or a B16A put a type r head on b16 block with cams valves springs etc....SI tranny Headers 2 1/2 inch exhaust intake and all your other bolt on accesories.......Chip the computer for high RPM small light weight rims....so enough with my ideas come up with your own and build a quick engine......


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4 grand will not get you ant ITR motor. And a B16a1 can be had for less than 2000.00. The B16a2 for right around 2000.00The only difference between the ITR head and the B16 is that the ITR is ported from the factory by honda. No need to waste precious money and an "ITR" head when you can just port the B16 head for cheaper. With a b16 though you will need to put some work into it so it can "hang" with the b18c. If you get the LS block you will have to run LS/vtec to be competitive with him. LS/Vtec is as reliable as it is built. Any motor built half *** will give reliability issues.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eyewitness &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

4 grand will not get you ant ITR motor. And a B16a1 can be had for less than 2000.00. The B16a2 for right around 2000.00The only difference between the ITR head and the B16 is that the ITR is ported from the factory by honda. No need to waste precious money and an "ITR" head when you can just port the B16 head for cheaper. With a b16 though you will need to put some work into it so it can "hang" with the b18c. If you get the LS block you will have to run LS/vtec to be competitive with him. LS/Vtec is as reliable as it is built. Any motor built half *** will give reliability issues.</TD></TR></TABLE> your very correct

 

Well, I want to use the Ls as the building platform. I'm mostly thinking of what kind of boltons i can add to give me an edge. like an intake manifold, short ram air, headers, and such.

 

just get some n2o.. cheapest easiest way... and if you get a wet kit more then safe if you arent retarded

 

I have a Dx Hatch w/LS motor,I/H/E,Intake Manifold,Free-flow cat. I stay right behind a GSR civic coupe. You wont hang with a GSR hatch with just a few bolt-ons. Unless you bolt on a turbo!
I my hatch so good luck with your swap!

 

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4 grand will not get you ant ITR motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that comment is bs, im gonna buy one for taht price from password jdm, you can also get them for 4 gs at hmotorsonline.com

 

id say go with the ls, buy a b16 head, get a p&p, skunk2 stage 1 cams, p28 chipped and call it a day

Edit: tune it tune it tune it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just get some n2o.. cheapest easiest way... and if you get a wet kit more then safe if you arent retarded</TD></TR></TABLE>
wait a second... isn't this the ALL MOTOR forum??? nah.. couldn't be...

 

how about just swap the cams, and do a little head work?

 

Spend thh $400 on some high comp istons. That should help you out. Better trans too.

 

Hmmmm....

GSR in EG vs LS in Ek?

If you want to beat him, without spending much money past the swap you will have to spray...or drive alot better then him.

Basic bolt on LS motor in an EK isn't going to beat a GSR in a EG.

 

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considering you have no weight advantage on him bolt ons is gonna be very non cost effective method to try and get faster than him. i say theres no way with bolt ons... your gonna have to either up the compression and cam it or do vtec

 

Bolt-ons; supercharger, turbo, n2o.
Least expensive being nitrous.
All motor; tear the bitch down and spend lots of money on sleeves, pistons, rods, p & p, springs, retainers, cams and don't forget the injectors and ecu for tuning.
Suggestion; find out how much you can afford. Once you have done this then weigh your options. Don't forget that each one of these will take a certain amount of time so you'll need another form of transportation. If it is your only car then you might consider a bolt on such as turbo or nitrous. Anything can be reliable if it is installed/tuned properly and is not abused.

 

if you dont wanna spend that much money get that LS motor and spray it

 

hmm, options for you, pick one.

1) B16 tranny w/LSD !!! (or ITR tranny with ATS 4.9 fd if you can afford it)
2) aftermarket LS big cams and valvesprings
3) spray it
4) turbo (junkyard turbo setups are great!)
5) did I mention a B16 tranny yet?
6) CTR pistons and I/H/E and tuning

 

strip it down naked get the ls motor and spray all the way

 

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that comment is bs, im gonna buy one for taht price from password jdm, you can also get them for 4 gs at hmotorsonline.com</TD></TR></TABLE>

A 96-97 spec from jdm is 3999.00....Hmotorsonline's 96-97 specs are 4175.00. And the 97-00 are 4600.00. All of these require shipping. so really you cant even get one for 4000.00 unless you were to pick it up from passwordjdm.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by infinatenexus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how about just swap the cams, and do a little head work?</TD></TR></TABLE>

WORD

-B18b
-p&p
-cams
-b16 tranny

you're done !

 

honestly your best bang for buck will probably be to go with a Vtec head. I know you said you don't want to, but it can be built to be just as, if not more reliable than a GsR. Simply bolting on the VTEC head (not recommended) will net you in the neighbourhood of 25-35 whp. Thats without changing cams, pistons, anything.
Budget is the most important thing. If cost is an issue bottle the fawk out him, that'll be the cheapest faster route in the short term, but costs add up fast at $50 a fill.

 

gsr head.
si tranny.
jdm type r pistons.
ctr cams.
type r ecu/hondata?

edit-you're in FL...you might be able to put some CTR pistons in there with tuning.
high compression=more power...
you don't have to deal with the 91 octane that we got here in cali..good luck.

 

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