Ok, just browsing through Evasive's site and looking for a Cpillar bar, I noticed this for the ITR.
http://www.evasivemotorsports....01INT

It is apparently a triangulated trunk bar, but it states you also need the trunk floor bar.. http://www.evasivemotorsports....01INT and rear strut bar. http://www.evasivemotorsports....01INT

So I assume what it does is connect the two, as far as I can tell from the pic...It looks like a great setup, but my main ? is, would your *really* notice any difference in rigidity/handling, and if anyone runs this particular setup...please speak up!

Also, for the price of all three products, would you be better off just buying a bolt in rollbar/cage...

TIA

 

looks like ill be the guinea pig

 

one word: garbage

don't waste your money

 

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don't waste your money </TD></TR></TABLE>

Explain

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, for the price of all three products, would you be better off just buying a bolt in rollbar/cage...

TIA </TD></TR></TABLE>

God yes.

 

yes, please explain because I just received this via IM

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Evil_gambit had a roll bar in his 96 hatch. He took it out and replaced it with the evasion set up. Since he replaced his roll bar with the evasion cross members he noticed the same stiffning results without the heavy wait of a roll bar.
Remember the evasion setup is not a roll bar. Give evil_gambit an IM and he can show you pics of his car with the setup and answer any questions you might have.

Later, Isaac

 

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The Type R doesn't need any of those bars due to its beefier construction and I would be utterly suprised to see any Honda have any great advantages to using a setup like that....

 

Although a cage would be better (and probably cheaper in a way)...I don't think all of this bashing is warranted, especially coming from a board that's so "jdm happy" all the time or going crazy over some intake (not everyone, I know).

Triangulation &lt;sp&gt;...I could see this working way better than a couple of bling bling bars on the strut towers and a trunk brace.

I'd say it could work...but not worth the cash. And the ITR could beneftit from it. I know its chassis is more reinforced than the regular DC2, but isn't that going a little far w/it?

 

bar works well... trust me.. you CAN feel the difference.. triangle is the strongest geometric shape!

 

it is interesting how people go crazy for J's intake and then start bashing other things like these bars. just wonder how people on this board select what to bash and what not to bash?

most likely because it's not a jdm product.

 

there are also some different set ups that you can run , but for the amount of money that you pay over all. You are better off buying a 6 point cage or 8 .

 

I want an explanation as well instead of a "dont waste your money" line.
I guess roll cages are impratical for some people.

So would these bar add stiffness to the chassis or not? Have anybody actually driven with a full set up of these bars and then a caged car to compare?

Oh yeah J's Racing intake does provide better throttle response...

 

yeah i have the bars.. it works well for me... chassis flexing is dramatically reduced and the best part is.. they are fully removable in matter of seconds.. try doing that with a roll bar

 

I think Im going to try it...Ill only be out ~350.. so what the hell.

The benefit to this is it probobly weighs about half as much as a cage/roll bar, and I won't wack my 'ead..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cheap Bastard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it is interesting how people go crazy for J's intake and then start bashing other things like these bars. just wonder how people on this board select what to bash and what not to bash?

most likely because it's not a jdm product.</TD></TR></TABLE>

because the n00b posted it....lol

 

Go for it and let us know how it turns out...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cheap Bastard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it is interesting how people go crazy for J's intake and then start bashing other things like these bars. just wonder how people on this board select what to bash and what not to bash?

most likely because it's not a jdm product.</TD></TR></TABLE>

1) J's Intake out does the AEM CAI in a few tests people have done, in both HP and better throttle response.

2) It has nothing to do with "JDM" People that assume that need a reality check.

3) In Fact the EM Racing bars are (IMO) Replicas of the JDM Bars that do the same thing like zig zag up from the rear strut bar to accross the rear pillar bar. Either one still a waste of money.

4) Why is it a Waste of Money? Because most likely someone buying these also has Strut Bars Tie Bars etc, and if it Does stregthen the chassis at all its not going to be something that you will be noticing on the street. AND about 95% of the people who will be buying these will be people who mostly drive their car on the street. Anyone driving to the point where these would make a difference in handling and Show it would be inclined to get a cage as they are probably going to be more into Racing their car.

 

i have the full emracing setup on my dc and notice a dramatic difference. I have zeal b6 function coilovers, and before the emracing setup I didn't think my car could be stiffened up that much more since I already had the usual... rear strut bar, lower tie bar, and sway bar. But I was more than happy when I put the emracing triangulation setup in. A rollbar does stiffen up the chassis, but i think people are missing the point, that the emracing setup is reinforcing the rear hatch section of the car which has incurs the most flexing. And if you have a rollbar and the emracing setup... whoa.

 

I want to climb on the jungle gym....

 

If people want throttle response just tightened up your damn throttle cable.

 

I'm in the process of making something very similar to this, it'll be a few more weeks before it's done, but i'll post pics and a how-to when it's all finished.

-Paul

 

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1) J's Intake out does the AEM CAI in a few tests people have done, in both HP and better throttle response.

2) It has nothing to do with "JDM" People that assume that need a reality check.

3) In Fact the EM Racing bars are (IMO) Replicas of the JDM Bars that do the same thing like zig zag up from the rear strut bar to accross the rear pillar bar. Either one still a waste of money.

4) Why is it a Waste of Money? Because most likely someone buying these also has Strut Bars Tie Bars etc, and if it Does stregthen the chassis at all its not going to be something that you will be noticing on the street. AND about 95% of the people who will be buying these will be people who mostly drive their car on the street. Anyone driving to the point where these would make a difference in handling and Show it would be inclined to get a cage as they are probably going to be more into Racing their car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

ignorance.... tsk tsk ...have you personally used these bars? do you have them in your car? i dont understand why people like you hate on products before you do any sort of research or have 1st hand experience with them... grow up.. please

 

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I beg to differ.
Most roll bars (especially my Kirk), do not add to chassis stiffness since they do not tie the sides of the car together. Furthermore, driving on the street in a fully triangulated/caged car is impractical, whereas these bars in "just the right places" and serve their purpose with little obstruction to the passenger cabin and as was said, are easily removable.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I wonder what kind of events led to someone's thinking of designing something like that for that particular car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What do you mean by "events"?
Driving "events" such as HPDE, or chassis "events" which lead to changing suspension dynamics end perceived chassis flex?

And I don't need to hear ... you shouldn't be driving "like that" in public!!!

One last thing, and for what it's worth ... I can see the kirk bar shaking in my rearview, and about the only thing it's good for might be as a camera mount, or if I actually "toss" the car, ... other than that I think it's a big piece of crap! IMHO


Modified by zygspeed at 9:16 PM 9/11/2003

 

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Wow.

Didn't you see the sign on the home page? <FONT COLOR="red"> "Please do not tease, irritate or poke sticks at the global moderators!"</FONT>


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Why whatever do you mean?

To put it bluntly, there reaches a point where something is pointless for use on the street. This is one of those things. If your driving to the point where a mod like this is making a big difference on the street then you shouldnt be on the street.