What is the difference between the Axis ultimates and Hawk HPS?

Which is a more aggressive pad, which needs more heat, causes more rotor wear, and all the other stuff?

any real world experiences would be great.

 

Did I ask something that hard? Or the right people have not logged on yet?

 

Call Andy Lin at cobaltfriction.com
He will break it down for you in detail.

In my opinion the Axxis Ultimate is a better pad in all areas you mentioned.

 

Really the ultimates are better? Holy cow. I thought it was the other way around.

 

I believe the Ulitmates are a step above the HPS. I run the HPS pads as well and like them alot. A little more aggressive than the stock pads and great for street/auto-x. In terms of track use the Ultimates are better in every aspect if I'm not mistaken, but cost more.

 

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there's a "chart" on Cobalt's web site to lay out the perfromance of different brake pad, you can use it as a reference.

 

between the two pads you've listed, the axxis ultimate is the better pad for the track. the hps in my opinion is a great street pad, period. anything above moderate track use will cause the hps to fade and make you laugh before getting into the turns while (trying) slowing down... the axxis ultimate is great for the street as well as light duty track use, but will dust almost two times more than the hps. as far as rotor friendliness, they are probably very similar.

and yes, andie is a great resource!

 

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http://www.cobaltfriction.com/products/hawk.htm

http://www.cobaltfriction.com/...e.htm





A. who just recieved his new rotors and went with GT-R spec VR's this time around.


Who else has Half life Hawk blues and or Ram's pads as backups? But, after my scary experience at the Beaver with my brakes, I'm playing super safe, all new everything and bled the fluid correctly.


Modified by 1GreyTeg at 6:34 PM 9/8/2003

 

Great, thanks for posting everyone!

My question is answered.

 

I'm hoping Andie will swing by the thread.

What is the recommended bedding for the Ultimates on new rotors? My card is lost...and searching the archives reveals many different techniques.

 

This Baer link seems to have the clearest and most consistant directions with how to bed in street/ track pads:

http://www.baer.com/Support/Te...pID=5

Their Race pad bedding in is just a bit different albeit more agressive with less concern for longevity.

But, clearly after reading their site and descriptions, there are absolute differences to seasoning rotors and bedding in pads.

After reading many postings here recently from the Archives (both in RRAX & ITR forums) about Rotors, Pads, bedding in and wear, I see most people may not be properly seasoning their rotors or never seasoning them at all but, only bedding in the pads which seems to be only half the procedure when swapping on new rotors and new pads.

The Baer site also clearly states that seasoning rotors should be done with already used pads and only after the seasoning of the rotor and proper cooling should you bed in the new pads.

As well it says that rotor wear/life is what will be affected directly when not properly seasoning/bedding in.

Here is the home tech link: http://www.baer.com/Support/TechTips.aspx

I too would love to hear from Andie, he is good people

 

Thanks for the link Anton.

I guess I should really put on the replacement rotors I have sitting around so that I can "season" them before Watkins. Now I understand why you're supposed to go easy on the brakes when you buy a new car or replace your rotors.