does anyone else find that ad funny? Especially in the all motor forum... just an observation, not cutting down anyone that helps provide the boards...

 

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this is a good point. I do see a lot of members who are unhappy with what WHP and time they are getting. I belive its always best to set out a GOAL and plan for this hobby.

Too many people think that they can just swap in a B16 and get into the low 14's in their civic.... not the case at all. People need to do more reasearch so that they know what they are really investing into and also if it is worth it form them.

If they want to be fast (12's or faster) with limited funds they should look into boosted setups. I mean I'm not saying that NA 12's is impossible just harder compared to FI applications. Also not trying to turn this thread into a NA vs. FI... because here on hondatech were all heard it.

I think people are unhappy with their NA applications becuase thier not getting the times and repect they want.

I mean sure you can built up a mild B18c1 and make it about 175 to 195whp and 135tq with about 5k not including the motor. Or you can get a D16z6 with forged pistons with a normal common drag kit, tunning ect spend less than 5k and make 200+whp at 10-12psi with 175tq....

those 2 simple setups in the same car (2200lbs) with same driver, same suspension ect.. the boosted D16 will spank that NA B18c1 any day all day at the track.

It's all about what your goals are, and how you want to get their in the long run .... simple as that. HOW DO YOU WANT TO GET THERE? and does it work with your funds, goals and plan.


I have soo many setups i want to do.... obvioulsey i can't do them all. But my 5year NA goal is 220whp/145tq with a B18c1 2.0, and a 2year goal of a 375whp B18c1 at 10psi .... when you put them together .....overall 7-8year goal of a 350whp with atleast 2 rebuilds in mind inbetween. daily driven.

HTH just wanted to share what i though about people bitch and whining about why they are not happy about their setup.... do more reaseach on how to be fast.

 

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Exactly I spent about a 100 hours researching on here and about 20 hours in wrecking yards before even deciding what car to go for. 175whp will get you 12's in the right platform. It's all about planning

 

what you said makes alot of sense, but you also forgot to mention the "crude point" ... the internet talk gets many thinking that things are easy to produce, I mean I hear about 11.5:1 compression 1.8L motors making 225whp, etc. and people actually believe it ...

Greg

 

Or that VTEC is the be-all and end-all, especially with the B16. VTEC is great, but it's not the ONLY thing. I chose the B20 over a B16 because I knew my car was heavy and needed more torque to satisfy my low and mid-range needs...haha!

 

thanks cheeta... yeah internet misinformation is out if hand... this is were all the blown up lsvtec, un happy, misdirected people are getting most of their info. Will all the info (sites, chat rooms, ect) you have to read 10,000 statements and only find out that 1,000 are 100% correct how it is stated where as 1/2 of them are correct BUT poorly stated (hence misinterphatation) and the 1/2 is just BS....

if you rely on intnert info, its ok just as long as you yourself have a people you can referrance, do your own reaseach and question the answers themselves or unless you know your ***** like some of the guys here... (CHEETAH, ImportReview, Arturbo, Mase, Reid, most mods, st00pid, ect) basically the people who have been around for a while in this sport... domestic or import.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DevinW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or that VTEC is the be-all and end-all, especially with the B16. VTEC is great, but it's not the ONLY thing. I chose the B20 over a B16 because I knew my car was heavy and needed more torque to satisfy my low and mid-range needs...haha!

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haha how true! don't give me wrong the B16 is a PROVEN motor. But when newbies IM all day about what motor they should swap in to their cars and they want it to be mainly stock i tell them B20...... they say.. why not B16... I tell them what i think and the get all technical about both motors.... in the end SOME of them still go with the B16 just be cause of Vtec...... stock for stock with just afc, i-h-e SAME tranny same car.... a B20 will be right next to the B16 all the way to about 100 to 115mph..... oh well can't help them all.

 

I tend to see alot of people with crazy goals that are pretty unattainable without a lot of money. My goal is to hit mid 13s on street tires in my 92 si hatch. When I got my car it had an ls swap and 99 si tranny so I decided to rebuild the engine ls/vtec with jdm r pistons, ctr cams and some other bolt ons. Im pretty confident I can hit mid 13s no problem.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Charlie Moua &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks cheeta... yeah internet misinformation is out if hand... this is were all the blown up lsvtec, un happy, misdirected people are getting most of their info. Will all the info (sites, chat rooms, ect) you have to read 10,000 statements and only find out that 1,000 are 100% correct how it is stated where as 1/2 of them are correct BUT poorly stated (hence misinterphatation) and the 1/2 is just BS....

if you rely on intnert info, its ok just as long as you yourself have a people you can referrance, do your own reaseach and question the answers themselves or unless you know your ***** like some of the guys here... (CHEETAH, ImportReview, Arturbo, Mase, Reid, most mods, st00pid, ect) basically the people who have been around for a while in this sport... domestic or import.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya, i hear people downtalking HT all the time, and the only forums on here that i look at is this one, appearence and cosmetic when im bored, and GDD...and i love this forum because its pretty down to earth, more of show me the facts over, here's what i heard type of deal...lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Triple T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I tend to see alot of people with crazy goals that are pretty unattainable without a lot of money. My goal is to hit mid 13s on street tires in my 92 si hatch. When I got my car it had an ls swap and 99 si tranny so I decided to rebuild the engine ls/vtec with jdm r pistons, ctr cams and some other bolt ons. Im pretty confident I can hit mid 13s no problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>

VERY true point as well... I have a high HP goal for my NA and FI applications but I have a overall LONG~TERM plan of 5-8years...
B18c1 85mm 11.8cr all the good stuff looking to make 220whp with 15tq and then a boosted version of the same motor but only to 7-8psi on 10.8-11.1cr with other mods (swap out cams, add custom HG, switch injectors) but then i'll be running 12's and everyone esle on the street will be running like 10's daily driven in 5 years LOL

that is a very reasonable goal. to you.