well, i have decided not to sell my car and start to save up for the h22 swap......soo, heres my question.....

i kno the f22 tranny will bolt up to the h22, but, if i use my f22 ecu, will it work with the engine?? and can it be wired for VTEC???? im asking this cuz i wanna keep my existing f22 tranny cuz its in good shape and im low on funds soo im gonna buy JUST the motor and use my existing parts........any help or advice will be useful.......

 

hey man i would honestly see if u cant find a tranny for it and ecu if u want the vtec for a cheap price find an cheap vtec controller and then u can use that instead of a ecu. but the tranny will work for a while but after a while of running it hard the trany will give up cuz it wasnt made for that much hp. friend had a f22 tranny on a h22 and it broke down after about 3 months. but good luck with it though dude

 

the tranny from the F22 is the same damn thing almost as the H22 tranny except longer gearing. the clutchs are the same and hold the same power. and it isnt any weaker either, the clutch just burns up from raggin on it and prolly high miles

 

f22 ecu isn't an option...get a p13, even a USDM ecu would work....and there are other options for around $200 too........the trannies are about the same except that the f22 will land you before vtec between 1st and 2nd, but should land right above it after that...it's geared higher, but not a whole lot...and the f22 isn't an LSD tranny, and some h22a trannies are......h23 tranny would work too and is geared a little higher than the f22.....

 

right on.......thanx for the enlightening info.......soo, i need a vtec controller to go along with the p13 ecu, or is it just recommended to get the vtec to kik in at the right points?

 

it's not necessary, but a 4700ish vtec crossover is optimal and the p13 will do it at around 5000rpm at WOT....so it's a little high...but not a huge deal....i'd just get it all running first, then look to mod it

 

dont waste your time with the F22 tranny

 

I have an H22 with F22 tranny and it runs fine. I want an H22 tranny because I'm getting tired of the looong gearing. It's great on the highway though (2800rpms @ 80mph).

 

see, people here are on 2 wavelengths, i hear one person saying that its ok to have an H22 motor with an F22 transmission which i was thinking about doing with my F22 accord, just to budget more things into the equation...then someone else says no way, and this and that...

So someone who knows or someone who has the h22 motor and f22 tranny, tell me, is it really bad to do it this way? from the way it seems, the gears are longer, but is that a really bad thing? are the gears long like S2000 long, where the real power lies in the higher up RPM's, or is it just a tad bit longer than an H22 tranny with power mid way through the band?

And then someone explain to me, if i kept my f22 tranny, and got an H22 motor, which ECU would i use? the old F22 or the new H22 (consider me to be similarly dumb to the guy who dumps coolant on his lawn)? then the Vtec controller, i definetly need that to adjust where the VTEC kicks in, right? I dont really rag the gears a lot, i drive fast, but i dont blast through gears, mostly highway driving, and commuting, basically how any normal highway driver drives, can it handle this for a prolonged amount of time?

my last question is this, if i wanted just the motor and have it mounted to my F22 tranny, how much does that usually run and who would you suggest to buy that from, and what parts does that usually come with? Thanks.

 

read the post above bout the acutally person using the f tranny on the h
he was like at 2800 rpms going 80, not to bad..

on the other note YOU NEED THE H22 ECU:
that ecu will control the dual cams, secondary runners as well as other things in the h22
the accord ecu never will think of those:

the vtec is in the ecu, so you dont HAVE to have a controllers, thats only for those who want to adjust the point where vtec kicks in. bring it lower or higher

 

dude, your the man, i shouldnt have even posted, i should have just brought it directly to you, see, remember the work stuff we talked about, about sending the motor out to that place to get machined etc...I want to do that, and then just put it in with the F tranny for now, then later get an H tranny, do some work to that, make sure its super durable, then put it in and get that Drag4 kit that you showed me, awesome, yea, this seems like it'll work, its a little unconventional but it'll be cool! one more thing, do the gears being longer make the car slower? they must right? how does that work, what are the negative effects of having longer gears?

 

if it takes you longer to get through the gears then you're going to be a little slower to somebody that has closer gear ratio's..Longer gears means you have a higher top speed..There was a video of a guy with an h22 and f22 tranny..he topped out at 177..Not really a down side if it's a daily driver..But if you do alot of racing you'll want the h22 tranny for the shorter gears.

 

shorter gears means you will get to higher RPM faster, wheras longer gears you are in low rpm longer.

so since h22 motor gets more power at higher rpm, then the tranny with shorter gears will keep it in its power band longer, where longer gears wont.

our f22s are more towards lower rpm power so thats why our f22 tranny is so long, plus for fuel econ.

someone once said that f22 vs. h22 will be the same until 5k rpm, then thats where the h22 will pull like mad and the f22 just sits there

 

the h22 tranny was designed to work with the h22a....so it is the best setup, but if money is tight, then going with the f22 will be fine, but you might be .3 seconds slower in the 1/4 comparatively speaking...and no, the top end benefit isn't a reason to go with it....the guy on the dyno had no wind resistance....throw that in, and you won't get past 140mph with the f22 tranny in a real world situation...taller gears would work against you....if you can, get the LSD h22a tranny...if you can't, then don't be discouraged, because it will still be a couple seconds faster than an f22 accord

 

f22 trannys and h22 trannys are a little different and its beacuase of the Vtec...it will work but not worth it...h22 tranny from a junk yard and use your clutch

 

awesome, thanks guys, you cleared up a lot of questions i have, and i get it, as far as power range, one is tweaked for mid-range and the other is for higher RPM setups, so obviously it would be slower, but having the H22 motor doesnt hurt compared to running stock, so its cool, the motor i want to get will eventually cost me somewhere in the 2000 range, once its all machined, shipped, installed, payed for etc...so that alone will have to go with the F22 tranny, then maybe in a year after that ill get an LSD h22 tranny, the reason i didnt do the swap is because i want to have my motor worked on, and that is important right now, and it soaks up a lot of dollars, so you know...i want to build it up for the DRAG4 kit and for a possible nitrous application...so again, thanks a lot, appreciated!

 

turbo and nitrous

oh lord

 

first of all, get a h22 ecu. running an f22 ecu would be retarded.
second, s2000 gears aren't long. the s2000 has imho the most perfectly spaced gearing of all hondas.
third- gearing has nothing to do with where the power band is. you could have a gear that was 1 to .1 and your power band will still be in the same exact place. engine make power. tranny put power down. tranny not change engine.
fourth- i didnt top out at 178 mph. we had more than 500 rpms left, we just got scared since the whole dyno was shaking.
fifth- screw the turbo, screw the nitrous. spend that money on a quaife and decent h22 tranny. you'll be happier and you car won't blow up.

 

so if i was going to do this swap in a 5th gen accord all i would need is the h22 long block and ecu? anything else?

btw pfispeed outta colorado was running a h22 w/f22 tranny in a crx and was hitting 9's

 

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in all sense yes that is all you need

all i had till i got me a h22 tranny.. later

 

I currently have a 90 accord lx it has the 2.2l F22 I have a chance to buy a 2.2 out of a 96 and it has a v-tech does anyone know if that motor would fit well and what else may I need besides the ecu?

 

depending on how much, it might not even be worth your trouble

only reason youd something like that, is if your going turbo

but then again.. drag makes a kit for you.. so.. not to much of the point


vtec motor will be like 10 hp more then what you got.. give or take..

but to answer your ? look up gimpyaccord, he did a similar swap and has a somewhat decent write up bout it

 

man, hell with all the motor swap stuff, lets just get together, get a group deal on nitrous and blow ourselves up...