In the life of any organism/organization/association change is unavoidable.

Whatever it changes into is what it is. What it was is just then what it was.

Imagine the RRAX board where the typical thread is representative of the kind of thread you dislike most.

Imagine further that that's just fine with the apparent majority of the members.

Who's got a problem? The now anachronistic nostalgic?

My favorite example of this dynamic is this: Say you were going to open up a restaurant & bar, and you had a clear idea of the character and clientelle you wanted. So you open up, and after a month or two you find that you're making more money than you dreamed, but your clientelle has unexpectedly turned out to be Gay-****-Bikers!

I've ridden the waves of enthusiasm within several era's of several different wheeled sports. I've moved on and left behind Motorcycles and Bicycles. I've not found anything I could move past racing cars for - yet. And I can't imagine.

What sustains a long term committment to an activity? Both success and failure can quench desire. Boredom perhaps then is the greatest risk. And I don't think it's impossible to become bored with truly great racing either. After enough of anything you might start wondering about a new thing.

When I saw Scott's Recipe thread the other day I thought "Uh-oh, this is a milestone." Silly season is a ways off, and conflict is as prevalent as ever. There may be more going on than meets the eye. I'm probably not the only one who senses boredom or some form of fatigue betweent the lines on the board.

The board runs on the character and creativity of the members. Considering how time consuming the labors associated with racing can be it's always caught my notice how much time we all spend online.

Related to this is an observation about business operators in the motorsports trade. In many cases the most successful ones don't spend too much time online or on the phone - they actually produce. I've enjoyed many a conversation with the other kind of operator - they talk till your ear hurts. Many of them have disappeared.

When I look at some of the other really good racing boards I see less of the good stuff over time as well. It's not just H-T.

Scott, who doesn't clearly see the future...hmmm, seems to be alot of Gay-****-Bikers in here...yawn...

 

Personaly, I am blaming the whole thing on Mars. It's too damn close, and its gravitional pull is making people just act crazy.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

 

I'm blaming the French and the Canadians.
And French Canadians.... Oooooh.

 

When you see a post like this I say no.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=603614

Quick, precise, good information for someone willing to listen.

 

Do you think it is possible that the French Canadians had something to do with altering Mars' orbit?????!!??

 

Another example of a thread that it is an awesome technical discussion... https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=600579

Stuff like that is the most important reason I've stuck around even though my last two car purchases have not been Hondas.

 

I think that they probably did. See, they've been wanting their independence from Canada for some time now. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to blackmail Canada by threatening to crash Mars into toronto, or something.

Scott: you know the French couldn't possibly muster the technical expertise to pull that off. We are too busy with our mandatory 5 weeks vacations, 35 hour work weeks (resulting in another 2-3 weeks vacation /year) and drinking wine while eating stinky cheese. We got the good life! Like we would care about Mars... Pfft! You silly american.

(and another thread down the tube)

 

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Stuff like that is the most important reason I've stuck around even though my last two car purchases have not been Hondas.

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I'm glad someone was enjoying that discussion!

It's not often that I feel like I have something to contribute, but I relish the opportunities that I have. So for that, among many other things (RR98ITR's ramblings for example) I really appreciate RR/AX.

 

It's just endemic to any itterative activity, after a while, it becomes repetitious and your enthusiasm slows to a lulled metrenome pace. Fact is, the "core group" here has been in the game a long while, and has probably gone through the various stages, permutations and developments in the course of pursuing their passion; i.e., competative driving. After a while, the same discourse , the same questions, the same topics tend to creep up time after time after time, and the sesoned members at some point probably lose interest in going over the same topics. It's not negative, it's just a fact. We all say "... gee, heidi klum is SOOOOOO hot!!" but the truth is, some lucky ******* somewhere, is "bored" with her. But with all things it cyclic, and it'll probably "pick-up" again soon. For the time being threads like "the reciepe thread" add a little levity and infuse some new/weird material into a forum with a tightknit group; I don't think it detracts from the credibility of the forum, rather it renews it, albeit divergently.

IMO, however, threads started to complain about certain topics not being discussed seriously or not being given this forums full attention do detract from the group, b/c it brings about bad blood.

 

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Wow. My thoughts to your words. Excellent writing.

 

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This is a nice summary of my opinion as well.

Fact is, Scott R., I appreciate that you choose to share these musings from time to time. Even when I don't agree, I have the chance to step back and reflect on a different perspective. And this is a good thing, for me anyway.

Truth be told, while there is a common denominator that draws us in to spending time here, there is also considerable variation among the H-T clientele in that some of us more inclined or tolerant to certain types of off-topic threads (e.g., Catch's recipes), while these same threads might cause consternation to others. Sure, it is really early for the silly season to be starting, but that might be reflective of the inevitable change to which you refer.

 

So, we're just gonna be that much sillier around here all the time then eh?

You know, I think that's been happening all along. I just hadn't noticed it till now.

Scott, who actually has some favorite recipes, but has been to inhibited to share them...

 

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http://us.imdb.com/Title?0058555

 

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I don't think it'll be much sillier , just a bit more stopgaps between novel topics.
BTW, the rennlist racer forum has got an excellent BBQ discussion going.

PS: it's like college (i.e. thesis work) usually your in the lab most days working on your material for your theis, taking down data, doing analysis etc, but after a while you lose sight of the big picture. So, you **** off a little, make a couple silly *** experiments go BOOM, or you go outside, etc. It's just an opportunity to regain the big picture, and remind yourself of the degree of commiment that you've got to any passion. The difference here is that it's a communal passion, so some members lose sight before others, and it's why the pulse of the community oscillates with the changes of individual members level of commitment, at a given time. What was it that Lorenz said? "...a butterfly flapping it's wings in china, will cause a storm half way around the world..." He was right.


Modified by bb6h22a at 1:21 PM 8/27/2003

 

"An army of gay/**** bikers make their engines roar and ride the way to pain/pleasure as sexual and sadistic symbols are... (more) "

Oh, yeah, how could you not click on the (more) button?

Scott, who is glad somebody has made a film about this increasingly important and relevant subculture...

 

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My professional, therapeutic advice to you would be to share one. It will be a deeply cathartic and liberating experience.

Casey, who asks Scott to take this one, very important step....

 

I haven't done a truly scientific study yet, but I seem to get better race results if I listen to Rob Zombie's "Hellbilly Deluxe" before the race.
Lots of Zombie/White Zombie stuff kind of gets the adrenalin going and the aggression turned up.

Hmmmm...

 

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Damn, my secret's out. What tipped you off?

 

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White Zombie/Rob Zombie is good for getting ready to attack stubborn bolts that resist even a two foot breaker bar, too.

 

I prefer carcass, or maybe some slayer. Unleashed is pretty good if you're in the mood for some scandinavian variety death metal .