Mostly for daily driving and possibly some tracking in the future, which one would you pick? Which one is the better quality? Should I be comparing the Zeal's to the Tein Flex? Would like some input. Thanks...

 

B2's will not handle HPDE's or lapping days too well. Auto-x yes, but the valving is not meant to handle high stress.

HA's are a better option if you will track the car.

S6/B6 would be a better choice over the HA.

Also look into the buddy club racing spec damper.

 

You really think the HA's would be better for the track? I thought HA's were mainly used for the street. The S6/B6 may be too stiff for me since it's primarily going to be used for daily driving. Looking for something in the range of 1000-1200.

 

I had this same dillema a month or so ago.

Tein no longer brings the HA's over here as they were valved mor for smooth japanese roads. They opted to bring the FLEX and the SS to america. The SS was supposed to be the parralel to the HA but the HA's are a lot better.

I opted to get the FLEX. So far I am very pleased. they can be set form 1-16 right now I have it set to 4 in the front and 6 in the back which is actually still a little stiff. When set on 16 it's very stiff (almost puked on the freeway). I have yet to track the car on this suspension but I imagine it would be able to hold up fine as a weekend warrior/ daily driver.

Also the loswer bracket makes height adjustment pretty easy just loosen one lock and hand turn the coilover.

 

I have no experience with the B2 (although Zeal definitely makes a quality product), but I will say I am very very happy with my HAs for track/autox. In my experience they are not bad on the street at all set on the softest 1-3 settings. Turn them up to 6+ though and they can rattle the teeth a bit.

 

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Actually, the FLEX and SS systems are not designed to withstand the beatings of road racing. They would be fine if you want to try it out once or twice, but again, the valving on the SS and FLEX are not made for track use, mainly for a moderate upgrade from the OEM setup, with a lot of tuneability for the street.

 

I was wondering the same thing. I still have not purchased my suspension yet. But I asked around, and everyone I talked to said Zeal without a doubt, but Zeal is more costly than the tien. But if you dont want Zeal I heard that JIC makes great suspension and isnt to bad price wise either.

 

With the amount people spend on Flex's - why not just get RA's..?

 

Hmmm I've owned both the B2's and the HA's. The B2's on my DC2 and the HA's on my BB6.

Both are nice streetable setups and I'm fairly sure they would hold up to track days. The way I look at it (and the way Mike M layed it out for me) either one is a step up from stock susp and the stock susp is more than track worthy. I have no worries about tracking my B2's (so far I've beat them to death autoxing).

Both setups are nice, B2's seem a little more livable on the street. The HA's always seemed a little bouncy to me but again they were on my Prelude and not my ITR. Does it snow where you live? If so I'd definitely go for the Zeals the Teins are sure to get rusty unless you clean them often.

 

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Yeah, I'd say the RA's are a good choice, but I don't think they are 3 way adjustable. The Zeal B6/S6's are also a great choice. I think you'll find the B6/S6 surprisingly streetable. My S6's are very streetable (subjective of course) and I have them set on 4 front 5 rear (6 is the stiffest) on the street.

 

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Because the RA's would be WAAY too stiff for regular street use on the streets around where i live. I got the Flex's for my R because of that. I wanted something that would be agood compromise between the street and the track, and that's what Tein USA recommended for me. Everyone i asked told mwe that the RA's would be better suited for a mostly track driven car. Incidentally, i really like the Flex's, i've done one auto-x with them and still am adjusting but i am happy with them. Looking forward to trying them on the track when the local one is finished being built. I also looked in to the Zeals and probably would have gotten them if not for the difference in price i would have had to pay over the Teins.

 

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Both are nice streetable setups and I'm fairly sure they would hold up to track days. The way I look at it (and the way Mike M layed it out for me) either one is a step up from stock susp and the stock susp is more than track worthy. I have no worries about tracking my B2's (so far I've beat them to death autoxing).
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I would definately agree with you on that. If the stock suspension can handle track use quite well it only stands to reason that an improved suspension should do as well or better than the stock setup.

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The Type Flex's have a special coating on them to ensure that they don't get rusty. Tein heard the compaints about the HA's and others getting rusty and corroded and solved that problem for the Flex's, so i wouldn't worry about the rust issue (with the Type Flex anyway)

 

I can't get any detailed information from the Zeal website because everything is in Japanese. Can anybody confirm that the B2's are made out of chromoly (sp?) steel? I also heard that even though the Tein Flex's are teflon coated, they will still rust and seize in the future.

 

Endless USA's info on the B2. Yep, they are of chromoly steel construction.

http://www.endlessusa.com/esto...ge=b2

 

Just wondering, but is Endless Zeal a US company? I thought they were JDM.

 

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They are a Japanese company.

 

That's what I thought. Thanks.

 

Tein HA...that's it...

 

Tein HA are great imo

 

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Actually, the FLEX and SS systems are not designed to withstand the beatings of road racing. They would be fine if you want to try it out once or twice, but again, the valving on the SS and FLEX are not made for track use, mainly for a moderate upgrade from the OEM setup, with a lot of tuneability for the street. </TD></TR></TABLE>

When I spoke to tein, they said the SS was perfect for a more daily riven and light track use car. They could perform jsut as well on the track as the HA's but were more streetable.

 

Anybody know how low the Zeal B2's and Tein HA's can go?

 

the lower u got the less suspension travel your gonna get it you plan on slamming the car.. you need the FLEX or another coilover with a lower sleeve.

 

I plan on lowering about 2-3 inches. Is that considered slammed? They aren't going to blow are they?

 

that seems like a lot but I'm not sure how low the HA's can go... I think u'd be losing a lotta strut travel though

 

What are the results from losing alot of strut travel?