I was sent to the reff the other day for many reasons, but it made me want to go legal. Dose anyone in here have a b16a legal swap in an EF? a friend of mine said that i needed to go obd1 and get either a p30 or the b17 ecu, because i cant pass with the pr3. I am running 2 cat's back to back OEM cats not auto-trash that works for 1 smog visit. Anyways i just want input from people that have done it because if its not to expensive im going to see the ref in my b16 hatch and get certified, if not i will have to swap in the a6 and take it with that....

 

How did you get sent to the smog ref? I have also heard that you have to go OBD1 to pass with the smog ref.

 

I got lazy and never put in the headlamp to my car and i never put back the header and exhaust pipin. The cop pulled me over becaseu it was kinda loud, i was rocking a 4 to nothing DC header, the 4 pipes just barely hit the oilpan and were chopped there, so it was kinda loud...

 

you need to convert to OBD-1 (del sol) because there are no b16's in the USA that are OBD-0
when you get a B.A.R. sticker there are three main requirments:
1. newer or same year engine as chassis
2. all smog equip. needs to be hooked up right and working
3. the computer needs to be USDM regardless of the motor (motor can be JDM)

 

have you taken the regular smog test with the 2 cats and the b16a?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nerologic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got lazy and never put in the headlamp to my car and i never put back the header and exhaust pipin. The cop pulled me over becaseu it was kinda loud, i was rocking a 4 to nothing DC header, the 4 pipes just barely hit the oilpan and were chopped there, so it was kinda loud...</TD></TR></TABLE>

congrats einstein! cops love pulling idiots like yourself...you'll be lucky to get a white B.A.R. sticker on your car after that stunt...oh and insurance...well, i'm not gonna even touch that. running open header tends to bring in a couple of pigs or 2 once in a while...

 

im sorry bro i didnt have the luxry of time to install everything back on my car, i left the track at 230 and i had to be at work at 330 and if you do the math taking in that i drive 20 to get to work and time to change it does not add up, ya im going to do this the right way and get the sticker im already getting help from some people who already pulled this off..oh and about insurance it wont do anything to me becaseu im sr-22 non-owner so i will not be hurting anymore then i already do anytime soon with insurance payments....

 

anyone else know a thing or two regarding?

 

how hard is it and what is involved to convert from pre obd to to obd1????

 

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It's not that hard at all....in fact i just made a jumper harness at a friends house tonight for him (obd-0 to obd-1) in about an hour and we just slapped it on, along with a 4 wire O2 sensor, and the OBD-1 dizzy, and OBD-1 ECU. The 4 wire O2 held us up though cuz he swore it was good, but it turned out it wasnt. BTW he has a Z6 in an 89 hatch. I also have converted to OBD-1 on my own car.

 

All smog equiptment hooked up
Have to convert to OBD 1
USDM ECU
Everything needs to be Carb/Smog compliant like you airbox, header, exhaust, cat and so forth.
Everything has to be for the same car meaning you can't have a DC2R AEM cai in your CRX even though it's smog compliant.

There is still more little things you have to take care of besides what i wrote down. I have seen it done before so it is quite possible. Don't cheap out on it cause you only get about 2 or 3 tries before your screwed

 

gotta go OBD1 with a del sol ecu...they look for the matching ecu of the motor you claim...thats how i did it but with a B18C and OBD1 P72...by the way get rid of one cat...they will take a double take at that

 

bump..anyone else?

 

do you have to use the ecu made for the motor? if i use a p28 and my motor is jdm b16a, converted to obd1 of course

 

good job welcome to the club, hha i have to got my hood popped also n probably have to go to the ref, i am assed out. i think we have the same set up, b16a wid a pr3 ecu, all my friends also told me i have to convert to obd1, man f*ck cops

 

going obd1 for legality too...just need harness, dizzy and p30 and i'm done...and stock intake 90 civic intake box...i'll let you guys know how it goes

 

I have a BAR sticker on my '88 crx si, '94 delsol b16 with p30 from the same swap. The details have been covered pretty thoroughly in the previous posts.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ninjaMONKEY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need to convert to OBD-1 (del sol) because there are no b16's in the USA that are OBD-0
when you get a B.A.R. sticker there are three main requirments:
1. newer or same year engine as chassis
2. all smog equip. needs to be hooked up right and working
3. the computer needs to be USDM regardless of the motor (motor can be JDM)</TD></TR></TABLE>
pretty much sums it up.

I had an intake and had to provide the EO number, I have a jumper harness to convert from my obd-0 wiring to obd-1 ecu. The ref did look for the check timing connector. I have personally seen jdm motors pass with appropriate usdm ecu's. As stated above, the double cat is probably not a good idea.
If everything is installed properly, the cat is in good shape, and the wiring is sound, getting a BAR sticker is not that hard. I would suggest going with a good quality jumper harness unless you really know your stuff on the wiring. Got my harness from blown90hatch on this board, excellent harness. The peace of mind that goes with a BAR certified swap in California is worth the effort.
Good Luck!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tommyL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a BAR sticker on my '88 crx si, '94 delsol b16 with p30 from the same swap. The details have been covered pretty thoroughly in the previous posts.
I had an intake and had to provide the EO number, I have a jumper harness to convert from my obd-0 wiring to obd-1 ecu. The ref did look for the check timing connector. I have personally seen jdm motors pass with appropriate usdm ecu's. As stated above, the double cat is probably not a good idea.
If everything is installed properly, the cat is in good shape, and the wiring is sound, getting a BAR sticker is not that hard. I would suggest going with a good quality jumper harness unless you really know your stuff on the wiring. Got my harness from blown90hatch on this board, excellent harness. The peace of mind that goes with a BAR certified swap in California is worth the effort.
Good Luck!</TD></TR></TABLE>

About that "check timing connector," is it the one near the driver side shock tower with the little yellow cap on it? I think u are supposed to jump the two wires there then check the timing. Is that the connector u are referring to? If not...please let me know because i too am going to make a visit to the ref to get my swap legal.

 

YUP THAT IS THE ONE. PUT A SMALL JUMPER WIRE IN AND YOUR CHECK ENGINE LIGHT SHOULD COME ON, CHANGE TIMING AND PULL OUT. WHAT SWAP DO YOU HAVE?

 

fourthgenhatchb17- as stated by apex crx, that is the one I was referring to.

 

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I have a B17 and its ALL OBD-1. I am running the original P61 with it too. About the timing connector, i always jump it to check my timing but never checked to see if the check engine light comes on. i will do that today.

 

if your b16A uses a pr3 ecu why do you have to convert to obd-1? now crx's are obd-0 right? can you not pass emissions with obd-o setup?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spooned out &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if your b16A uses a pr3 ecu why do you have to convert to obd-1? now crx's are obd-0 right? can you not pass emissions with obd-o setup?</TD></TR></TABLE>

U cant pass with an OBD-0 B16A set up because the B16 never came to the US in an OBD-0 car. It first arrived in the 94 Del Sol i believe, and that car was OBD-1.

 

nice info, but im its going to be a while for me cuz p30 are hard to find, or i might just have to borrow one?..anyone interested??

 

You need more than just the P30 to be legal. You also need the proper distributer and ECU, as the pre-1992 stuff is not electropnically compatible with the newer ECU. You also need to run the correct intake and exhaust manifolds, as they are also quite different. The ref will ding you bad if you don;t have the right vaccum line and oxygen sensor setup.