ive already posted this on honda-swap.com, but i ned more ammo to convince this guy...)
first of all, im not a honda guy. im into domestics. but thats beside the point. ive read up this and that on all sorts of cars, including hondas, so i kinda know my way around.

a friend of mine has a 4th gen 'lude. hes under the impression that he can "build up" an all motor jdm h22 to 400 hp. he thinks he will be able to run 92 octane, idle below 1000 rpm, and still get better-than-suv gas mielage. he will use this car to drive the 150 miles back and forth from school, drive every day around town, and race on weekends. oh, and this setup will run 11's in the quarter. even if this was possible, i thought ludes are about 3000 lbs? youll need more than 400 to run a 1.5 ton front driver in the 11's, right?

some guy at the races, who claims to build race motors says he can do this for him. he gives no specs on the comproession, heads, or cam he will use.

now, he (friend) doesnt know diddly squat about cars, and is buddies form home feed him s**t all the time. stuff liek "awsome quad turbo preludes theyve seen", and he seems to be under the impression that "prelude mtotos are built for quad turbo" (his exact words), which leads to hair pulling on my part. he thinks that there is some bolt on the engine that you can turn to just give you more power. i tell him its a honda, "nothing on a honda has been controlled by a bolt or nut for 20 years (am i right?), its all self-calibrating electronics." he wont belive me. he just gives his car to his firneds,and they "tune" it, putting in no parts, jsut "changing things around". he thinks that an ecu upgrade is the best thing you can do for the money to a motor for more power. seriosly, i dont think he knows what a camshaft is, or what it does. they DID remove the resonator form the intake, givign his car that "elephant farting though a tuba sound" he so craves.

i do know my way around cars in general, and that doesnt seem possible to me. he and i are in a very heated debate about this, but i have little specific info. so far, its just a pissing match. what CAN you do n/a with h22? i guess 300 hp can be doen with the above reqs, but 400? anybody got actual buildups with numbers?


and another thing, can someone with a huge post count PLEASE say that there is no such thing as a quad turbo prelude. or if by some cosmic tragedy such a thing does exist, say that that is the dumbest thign ever, and why. he wont beilve me. ill show him this thread, and i need to set him straight.

 

Well 4 turbos would be hugely thermally ineficient though possible more likely B.S. or powered by a redneck on shine

400 hp is possible, I've seen a dyno run over 360 on a destroked h22 and it's likely a stroked to 2.6L motor could pull this number, but the motor was into the 50k range and could not be driven back and forth to school nor be considered fuel efficient, the injector size alone will hugely affect this

Some time ago a article in Hot rod about and all motor 5.0 with camless heads made 200 hp N/A pr ltr or 1000 hp

However the heads were prototype and would cost 15k alone to replicate

Either way you could probably buy a used Ferrari f360 for the cost complete.

Other than that punch the **** in the face and steal his girl if he's not gay cause he's just another Pep Boys daydreamer / scammer and is just doing his part to infect the hobby.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mythos EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I've seen a dyno run over 360 on a destroked h22</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea, but not on pump gas, right?

 

400 horse all motor prelude 60% methanol and 40% nitro sounds about right. You can purchase this gas at any am pm pump station... or quicky mart. you will get 50 mpg highway. oh the have your friend put eight turbos on it. it will have that loud blow off sound!! Use the turbonetics t88. 8 of those will work very well, but you will have to chop of the front end the car and use fog lights taped to the front of the car to drive at night. Oh and make sure he uses toda d cams or skunk 3's and 25:1 compression and boost like 60 psi of boost. thats about it good luck!!

 

Listen man, that **** is just not going to happen without insane engine work and lots of money...and I'd also say hell no on 92 octane. Horsepower in the mid-high 200's is obtainable within sanity and reason, and on pump gas. Don't expect this route to be a cheap one either, but in relation to the former it is.

 

[QUOTE=Mythos EF]Well 4 turbos would be hugely thermally ineficient though possible more likely B.S. or powered by a redneck on shine

400 hp is possible, I've seen a dyno run over 360 on a destroked h22 and it's likely a stroked to 2.6L motor could pull this number, but the motor was into the 50k range and could not be driven back and forth to school nor be considered fuel efficient, the injector size alone will hugely affect this


see those numbers also....but not on pump gas

 

Well,im assuming your friend must be very rich.Im sure anyone will agree...anything can be done as long as you have the money.But then again,why spend the money on just getting that 400 hp mark when im sure he can most likely buy a faster car out of the box???....If he doesnt believe you,just sit back and let him learn his lesson on his own.

 

300whp is pretty far fetched.... Jeremy Lookofsky the former FWD all-motor world record holder was running a stroked/bored H22 with 16.5:1 compression(not pump gas compliant) and was making a BROAD and FLAT powerband that never went over 260hp at the wheels... But, these new 2.4liter K series motors seem to have ALOT of potential so they might make 400hp out of them at the flywheel but not on pumpgas.

 

I'm not even gonna waste my time posting in this thread.........DOH........

 

I'm sure even 500+ hp 2.0L na is still possible if you can get the engine to rev like a F1 car. All you need to do is spend a couple of hundred million dollars for R/D and you'll have it.

I would rather spend the money to buy a bunch of chicks instead of building a car to impress a chick.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrunexpected &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he thinks that there is some bolt on the engine that you can turn to just give you more power. what CAN you do n/a with h22? i guess 300 hp can be doen with the above reqs, but 400? anybody got actual buildups with numbers?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah theres a bolt on that you can put on your engine that will give you more power. its called a garrett t4/60-1. it will get you 400 hp but calling it a bolt on is a stretch and its certainly not gonna be done NA.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrunexpected &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hes under the impression that he can "build up" an all motor jdm h22 to 400 hp. he thinks he will be able to run 92 octane, idle below 1000 rpm, and still get better-than-suv gas mielage. he will use this car to drive the 150 miles back and forth from school, drive every day around town, and race on weekends. oh, and this setup will run 11's in the quarter. even if this was possible, i thought ludes are about 3000 lbs? youll need more than 400 to run a 1.5 ton front driver in the 11's, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

see above comment. take a garrett t4/60-1 and a fmax or similar turbo kit and tune it with hondata. you will have 400 hp prolly run 92 octane and idle below 1k and get decent off boost MPG. now im not overly familiar with h22's but i dont see how safe this would be without sleeves or forged internals but im sure it coul dbe done for a little while. but again NOT NA

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrunexpected &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and another thing, can someone with a huge post count PLEASE say that there is no such thing as a quad turbo prelude. or if by some cosmic tragedy such a thing does exist, say that that is the dumbest thign ever, and why. he wont beilve me. ill show him this thread, and i need to set him straight. </TD></TR></TABLE>

there very well could be a quad turbo prelude but it would be the dumbest thing ever. i have an idea though, 4 1-1 equal length manifods coming off the head into 4 individual T25's all feeding 4 different DSM side mount intercoolers placed in each corner of the car. then run those 4 pipes to a toda ITB setup and tune it all with an AFC and 450 dsm's! it would be awseome!

the point is if you really tried to do it it would have to be all custom and all stupid. theres a reason they make different sized turbos. so you can find the 1 that FITS YOUR ENGINE. anyone trying to say that they understand how a turbo works in the same sentance as "quad turbo" is sooooooo full of crap.

 

There is another bolt on he could use to get over the 400 HP range with no power adder, its called a Z06 engine of a Corvette like mine. Tell your friend to call HASPORT for an engine mount kit and his done, just drop it in and his done. hahahahahahahah, I just can´t stop laghing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by preluda92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">300whp is pretty far fetched.... Jeremy Lookofsky the former FWD all-motor world record holder was running a stroked/bored H22 with 16.5:1 compression(not pump gas compliant) and was making a BROAD and FLAT powerband that never went over 260hp at the wheels... </TD></TR></TABLE>

We definately make over 260whp... the CRX motor made 270... the coupe motor makes more! but i do agree, 300whp is far fetched!!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TEAMGENDAI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">400 horse all motor prelude 60% methanol and 40% nitro sounds about right. You can purchase this gas at any am pm pump station... or quicky mart. you will get 50 mpg highway. oh the have your friend put eight turbos on it. it will have that loud blow off sound!! Use the turbonetics t88. 8 of those will work very well, but you will have to chop of the front end the car and use fog lights taped to the front of the car to drive at night. Oh and make sure he uses toda d cams or skunk 3's and 25:1 compression and boost like 60 psi of boost. thats about it good luck!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL

 

that destroked h22 that your speaking of if im correct thats the btcc touring accords. that runs a cam similar to the vtec killer a cam were the power band starts at 5000 and above making it NEAR impossible to daily drive COMFORTABLY.


your friend is talking out of his ***.

 

400hp N/A on an H22 is not ever going to happen. If it does I'm throwing my keys and obscene amounts of money at whoever built it. Quad turbo on a 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, 8 cylinder, 10 cylinder OR 12 cylinder motor is just an example of bling bling excess. ECU tuning on a near stock H22 is almost pointless. Hp/$ is going to be waaaaaaaay worse than tq/l on an H22. Your freind is an idiot and you should stop wasting your time with him and his ****** *** ricer buddies. Feel free to copy/paste this post in an email to him. BTW tell him I have a super maga JDM air filter that will net him and his friends 35hp to the wheels that I'll sell him for $300 bucks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RZFD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">400hp N/A on an H22 is not ever going to happen. If it does I'm throwing my keys and obscene amounts of money at whoever built it. Quad turbo on a 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, 8 cylinder, 10 cylinder OR 12 cylinder motor is just an example of bling bling excess. ECU tuning on a near stock H22 is almost pointless. Hp/$ is going to be waaaaaaaay worse than tq/l on an H22. Your freind is an idiot and you should stop wasting your time with him and his ****** *** ricer buddies. Feel free to copy/paste this post in an email to him. BTW tell him I have a super maga JDM air filter that will net him and his friends 35hp to the wheels that I'll sell him for $300 bucks. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The BTCC engines had limits to thier build and were still able to approach 320 WHP. There was still alot of room for improvement such as running methanol to allow for increased compresssion ect.

I could point to commercially available parts to do it but then I'd have to dump the money to prove it I guess so nevermind since it would be useless for me to do so.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mythos EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The BTCC engines had limits to thier build and were still able to approach 320 WHP. There was still alot of room for improvement such as running methanol to allow for increased compresssion ect.

I could point to commercially available parts to do it but then I'd have to dump the money to prove it I guess so nevermind since it would be useless for me to do so. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Those engines are built so much you could hardly even use the factory engine code to denote them. Not to mention the millions of dollars that went into their development...

 

This was one of the funniest post i've seen all day.
But what kind of idot thinks that they can make that much power on a n/a h22

 

yea, well. im glad i could entertain you! ;-)

 

"Those engines are built so much you could hardly even use the factory engine code to denote them. Not to mention the millions of dollars that went into their development..."

Where do people get this **** from ?

#1 no the program did not cost millions unless your talking about all the h22's in every accord worldwide. They were 50k each with Motecs top of the line EMU which is considered cheap for a race engine

#2 They had so much more room in these engines. If they had been allowed to go all out the numbers would be considerably higher

 

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