Alright people.....lets put our brains together and figure out if this can be done.

Some have said that the auto tranny's for our accords are probably the worst thing about them.I've been thinkin about this and I have no idea if it would work or not I haven't tried it or researched it. But wouldn't it be possible to swap in the auto/shiftronic tranny from an Acura RL,TL,CL?

You get the performance of a 5-speed w/ out the use of a clutch pedal and the ease of going through fender to fender traffic w/ an auto. Any comments welcome....again....just an idea I thought of. I have no idea if anyone else has thought of this or not.

 

Absolutely not possible, and if you think Accord trannies are not good, then CL / TL trannies are much worst. They have had issues with reliability. You don't have much choice other than swapping in a 5 speed.

 

Ok 1. I never said they weren't good. I have a auto 4cyl I like it very much. I'd drive a manual if I had a second chance. All I said was that some people think they're not that great so I was thinking of an alternative other than swapping to a manual.

2nd. What basis do you have to say that the Acura trannies are worse than ours? Have you driven an Acura w/ one? Yes I know the preludes suck w/ them but I wasn't talking about prelude trannies.

3rd. In the newest issue of Honda Tuning it had an Acura (don't remember what model) although it was a V6 it the had the shiftronic tranny. I think its mods were NOS 75 wet shot, AEM Pulleys, AEM CAI, Custom Exhaust, and 19's. It did like 12.9 or something in the 1/4 mile. Obviously a V6 has more hp than a 4cyl especially w/ nitrous.

4th. If I'm not mistaken they share the same engines as our accords. They share some suspension components. 4cyl or V6.
The 5gens had F-series Honda and Acura...so why wouldn't they match up? If 6gens are the same way why wouldn't it work?

5th. I've never heard of anyone complaining about issues w/ the tranny in an Acura unless they abuse the **** out of it. There are other choices...sure you could blow a ton of money on a 5 speed swap, or spend like $500 and upgrade your auto. As I stated the first time.....It was just an idea.

 

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That's what I call lazy. People that complain about are frikkin lazy. I have never owned a AUTO. To say that having a clutch gets tiring is because AUTO drivers re used to not having to use the clutch. I'd rather a 5 speed because it can bail you out of so many situations than can a AUTO.

To have a 5 speed is to actually drive your car. To have a AUTO is to have the car drive you.


oh yeah it's not possible....

 

How is it lazy? Maybe someone doesn't have the money or time to do a full 5speed swap and another auto works just fine. Congrats to you for never owning an auto. I've never owned a 5speed, I would like to, but I haven't...yet. I never said a clutch gets tiring. No **** auto drivers aren't used to a clutch...they don't have one! I'm not saying 5speeds suck b/c if I could I'd have one too. If everyone says its not possible....I want some detailed info as to why it isn't.

 

you wouldn't put as much power to the ground with a shift-tronic auto as you would with a manual

 

If you want to keep the auto tranny, check out Level 10 for the upgrade or go for a tranny cooler and better torque converter - you'll get some gains.

I have an auto too.......yeah it sucks.........but the traffic that I deal with on a daily basis does make it a convenience.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98KordLXVtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok 1. I never said they weren't good. I have a auto 4cyl I like it very much. I'd drive a manual if I had a second chance. All I said was that some people think they're not that great so I was thinking of an alternative other than swapping to a manual.

2nd. What basis do you have to say that the Acura trannies are worse than ours? Have you driven an Acura w/ one? Yes I know the preludes suck w/ them but I wasn't talking about prelude trannies.

3rd. In the newest issue of Honda Tuning it had an Acura (don't remember what model) although it was a V6 it the had the shiftronic tranny. I think its mods were NOS 75 wet shot, AEM Pulleys, AEM CAI, Custom Exhaust, and 19's. It did like 12.9 or something in the 1/4 mile. Obviously a V6 has more hp than a 4cyl especially w/ nitrous.

4th. If I'm not mistaken they share the same engines as our accords. They share some suspension components. 4cyl or V6.
The 5gens had F-series Honda and Acura...so why wouldn't they match up? If 6gens are the same way why wouldn't it work?

5th. I've never heard of anyone complaining about issues w/ the tranny in an Acura unless they abuse the **** out of it. There are other choices...sure you could blow a ton of money on a 5 speed swap, or spend like $500 and upgrade your auto. As I stated the first time.....It was just an idea.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok. I'll try and be as explicit and detailed as possible.

Honda auto trannies are pretty sturdy, and I can tell you this for having had one myself on my 95 EX, and beating the **** out of it for 365,000 miles. But they are some of the most annoying on the market, in that they can jerk, slip betweeen gears, and clank when going from reverse to drive. If you've been told they were sucky, it is true and false, just depends about what aspect of the tranny they were talking.

But they are much better than TL /CL sportshift trannies, because, and I've read complaints about this a number of times on other Acura boards, they have reliability and durability issues. Many an owner have had their auto trannies replaced on the warranty, because of failures. I'm thinking of one guy in particular who had his tranny replaced after something like 15K, then again 1K later, then again another 3.5K later. They finally lemoned the car.

To get to the base of the subject, true the AV6 shares the same basic engine as the CL / TL / RL's, but they are J series engines, while the 4 cylinder engines are F series. Therefore it is absolutely impossible to fit a CL tranny on an F-series, they are not designed the same way. You'd have to swap in the V6 also, to get that tranny in, but while you're at it, you'd be much better either, keeping your I-4 and swapping a 5-speed, or if your really wanted to slap in the V6, mate it with a CLS 6MT.

It doesn't matter what the Honda tuning magazine said about the AV6 doing 13's, that power is due to engine modification. Swapping a tranny, especially an auto for an auto, won't get you in the 13s if that's what you hope for, lol.

Also, concerning point #5, even if it were possible to adapt a CL tranny, it would cost you at least as much as swapping in a 5-speed, because you would not only have to change the tranny itself, but all the other accessories also, like the ECU, wiring, shifter, and a bunch of other details as well.

As an idea, it would be lovely if it was possible, but sorry, no can't do.

 

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4th. If I'm not mistaken they share the same engines as our accords. They share some suspension components. 4cyl or V6.
The 5gens had F-series Honda and Acura...so why wouldn't they match up? If 6gens are the same way why wouldn't it work?
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Sure you could swap a 4cyl auto tranny from an older CL to an Accord, but why? Its the same tranny! LOL

That Honda Tuning article about the auto CL that turned a 12.9. Just because it ran a 12.9 with an auto doesnt mean it will last 10,000 miles. Plus, that is on nitrous, which as we all know, isnt on all the time. Id never buy an automatic honda/acura other than the Odyessy.

 

Thanks Sauceman.....that's all I was looking for.


I wasn't saying swap a 5th gen tranny to a 6th gen. Genius. Learn to read. I know it was on nitrous and I do believe I stated that well knowing that that's probably how he got in the 13's.

 

may-be. . . i've heard that the 6speed CLS tranny will fit in the j30. a tiptronic i really don't know. . .

 

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Dood, I just reread my post, and I don't know where the hell you saw that I was talking about swapping a 5th gen tranny. I think you should learn to read, lol. The only thing I mentionned about the 5th gen tranny was that I used to have one, and found it to be solid as hell with all the beating I gave it.

Just in case you didn't know, 5 speed F-trannies were standard equipment on the Accord between 1990 and 2002... that is, on 4th, 5th and 6th gens. They have some differences in gearing, mostly the final drive if I remember right.

Anyways, while you're talking about it, I guess you could slap in a 5th gen 5MT in as long as its OBD2 (if it does actually matter), you'd just probably have a decalibrated speedometer if you can live with that.

 

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Ok. I'll try and be as explicit and detailed as possible.

Honda auto trannies are pretty sturdy, and I can tell you this for having had one myself on my 95 EX, and beating the **** out of it for 365,000 miles. But they are some of the most annoying on the market, in that they can jerk, slip betweeen gears, and clank when going from reverse to drive. If you've been told they were sucky, it is true and false, just depends about what aspect of the tranny they were talking.

But they are much better than TL /CL sportshift trannies, because, and I've read complaints about this a number of times on other Acura boards, they have reliability and durability issues. Many an owner have had their auto trannies replaced on the warranty, because of failures. I'm thinking of one guy in particular who had his tranny replaced after something like 15K, then again 1K later, then again another 3.5K later. They finally lemoned the car.

To get to the base of the subject, true the AV6 shares the same basic engine as the CL / TL / RL's, but they are J series engines, while the 4 cylinder engines are F series. Therefore it is absolutely impossible to fit a CL tranny on an F-series, they are not designed the same way. You'd have to swap in the V6 also, to get that tranny in, but while you're at it, you'd be much better either, keeping your I-4 and swapping a 5-speed, or if your really wanted to slap in the V6, mate it with a CLS 6MT.

It doesn't matter what the Honda tuning magazine said about the AV6 doing 13's, that power is due to engine modification. Swapping a tranny, especially an auto for an auto, won't get you in the 13s if that's what you hope for, lol.

Also, concerning point #5, even if it were possible to adapt a CL tranny, it would cost you at least as much as swapping in a 5-speed, because you would not only have to change the tranny itself, but all the other accessories also, like the ECU, wiring, shifter, and a bunch of other details as well.

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