Got a NASA rules question?

I helped write the book.

Got an SCCA tech rules question?

I got a National Tech License.


PS And I'll be at VIR for the NASA event.

Grumpy.

Let's see what trouble this will cause.

 

IM's coming soon


-you asked for it!

 

IM's NOT accepted.

OUT IN THE OPEN QUESTIONS.

 

okay - just trying to follow the new board rules.


Stupid question: in my SCCA vehicle logbook I had to fill out the "track" measurement front and back. I was filling out the remaining details before doing my annual tech and figured since there was only one blank, it must be a measurement that wouldn't change. So instead of manually measuring what I had currently, (center of L tire to center of R tire?) I put in the stock values for my car out of my Civic Helms manual. Correct? Wrong? I got my annual inspection, but they didn't seem to verify those numbers in any way that I can remember.

edit: this question I guess would apply to wheelbase too, but I don't see how that *could* change without drastic changes.

 

Use the specifications as posted in the SCCA GCR ITCS ITA section for your car. These are the specs that you will be measured against.

Grumpy

 

This is correct for wheelbase. Rechecking for track.

 

whats the proper way and place to mount a frire extinguisher?

 

Track may be changed to accomodate larger tire/wheel that must fit in stock wheel housing. see ITCS 2003 page 13.

 

"firier" extinguishers must be mounted using METAL brackets. They should be in reach of the driver and should be able to be removed and operated by the driver in a seated and belted position with gloves on. The fire extinguisher is for the driver not the corner worker.

Mount it as low as possible so if it becomes a missle during an incident it will cause as little damage as possible.

In other words, get a fire system.

Grumpy

 

thank you sir

 

This one is very simple <G>--it relates to suspensions. NASA says that for Honda Challenge H4 you can use adjustable upper control arms on the rear of a CRX. Is this correct? Yet, the SCCA ITCS says you cannot, but can use washers and bolts. With these 2 different ways of doing a Camber adjustment available-what is the prevailing method for both as far as tech is concerned.
Another thing-the CCR asks for 3/4 views of the car from the front and rear-what size should they be?
Yes-I am aware that NASA is different <G> in many ways.

 

HC Suspension rules
10.0 Suspension
a) Minimum ride height shall be five (5) inches measured without driver at the lowest point of the rocker panel but not the welded seam.
b) Any single bodied shock absorber may be used. The number and type shall be the same as stock.
c) Bump stops my not be more than 2 inches in length.
d) MacPherson strut cars my substitute struts or use any insert.
e) Adjustable spring perches (coilovers) are allowed and may be part of the shock body.
f) Any spring rate or torsion bar may be used. The same number and type as stock shall be retained.
g) Any sway bar may be used but may not be adjustable while in motion.
h) Any type of suspension bushing is allowed. (spherical, delrin, etc)
i) Camber adjustment devices (plates/shims/eccentric, etc) are allowed on all vehicles.
j) Independent rear suspension mounting holes may be slotted or reinforced for camber and/or toe adjustment.
k) Cars may add stayrod(s) between the shock towers and/or lower suspension mounting points.
Note: All suspension parts must retain their original attachment points at the chassis, and the suspension must maintain its original design and function

Pictures should be about 3"x4".

Tech has no preference as to how you stay within the rules of either organization. It might be to your disadvantage to make a car "fit" both organization's rules, rather than "maximize" each.

Grumpy

 

I IMed .RJ about 5-10 minutes after that forum update post was made. It was to verify something that I (and I am sure you) had already guessed. These aren't the types of rules discussions he was trying to prevent, and you all know it. Good thread though.


Ken

Overstating the obvious can be fun. Especially during periods of excessive jackknobbery.

 

So...uh....I was wondering(scratching head and looking to see if anyone's around)...wher can I get a rulebook from if there are no local tracks?

 

Grumpy's view on Cage attachment points...

Does the 100 square inches of plating wrapped around my rear shock tower and every tube attached to that plate count as one point?

I had 2 tech inspectors arguing over this last Friday when logbooking my new car. One felt the cage was illegal because the bars don't all touch each other into one point. The other said it was just fine because they all attach to a plate that wraps around the tower (ie: the plate equals one point).

What sayeth Grumpy?

Scott, who was concerned about two long term tech guys arguing over this. It kind of throws up a red flag.

 

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I helped write the book.

Got an SCCA tech rules question?

I got a National Tech License.


PS And I'll be at VIR for the NASA event.

Grumpy.

Let's see what trouble this will cause.

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Blah . . . Amateur.




Scott - Doesn't the SCCA say something about a 12"x12" mounting area for the cage points? I would think that if the tubes, though not joining at the same location, would be legal if the points in question mounted within this 12x12 area.

 

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Does the 100 square inches of plating wrapped around my rear shock tower and every tube attached to that plate count as one point?

I had 2 tech inspectors arguing over this last Friday when logbooking my new car. One felt the cage was illegal because the bars don't all touch each other into one point. The other said it was just fine because they all attach to a plate that wraps around the tower (ie: the plate equals one point).
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Page 140 of the GCR, Line E, " Any number of tubes may attach to the plate or each other."

I know Oregon Region and Northwest Region agree that you can pack the plate with as many tubes as you wish.

 

NASA or SCCA?

 

SCCA

 

turfer is correct for IT for SCCA. 2" minimum width on plate.


NASA is different.

 

NASA rules online for free http://www.nasaproracing.com

SCCA order at http://www.scca.org