Honda rules!

Don't know of many cars/makes that can pull these kind of specs off. I'm pretty stoked about the gas mileage, it was about 75% highway and 25% city driving. The original motor has not been rebuilt, and still has compression of 150psi all the way across.

Only mods are i/h/e/Gude cam (grind 26824). Stock clutch, stock ecu, stock throttle body, stock head, stock intake mani, stock everything really.

The best ET was 14.82@93 with street tires and at 2100 pounds without driver. That time was pulled at just under 200,000 miles, now it only pulls a 15.11 (I think the cam journals (?) are finally wearing out.

 

Very nice!! I wish my GTI 1.8T could have ran a 15.11 stock. But after $300 and a couple hours of work i got it running 14.94 with a Auto and stock exuast so i'm pleased! Oh and the Std. would probally run a 25.99 if i could get it to the track lol

 

k woah, you have a stock crx engine with basic mods and a cam... thats IT???? and you ran a high 14:S:S:S!!! Is this like on a g-tec, or do you have actual time slips...?

 

I hate to flame but something doesn't sound right.

What motor is in the car a D16A6 or the stock engine?

 

The D16a6 is the stock motor

 

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Agreed. Either you're one hell of a driver, or there's something you're not telling us? I have never seen a D16A6 go that fast before....

 

What, we talking 1/8 mile here? Unless you were using stickies, even then thats pretty low. Timeslips please!

 

i belive it 100%. i have heard of d16a6's getting those times from a couple people. its very uncomman , but is is possible i've seen it myself. my crx only ran 15.5 w. i/h/e but it i have seen someone run high 14's on a almost stock d16a6. all the people that say its impossible are most likely b16 owners who are running about the same times.

 

I am a D owner...but I would also like to see a timeslip.

 

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What motor is in the car a D16A6 or the stock engine?</TD></TR></TABLE>

D16A6 is the stock motor in any 88-91 CRX Si (ED9).

Sorry, guys, but no scanner. I will post the runs, let me dig out the slips. I will post the best slip and the most current.

Just to let you know though, there are many "old school" racers from Sacramento Raceway and Sears Point that know of my car, and can vouch for my times.

 

I just have a hard time believing 106 (or is it 108) hp is going to move a 2100lbs car as fast as 200hp will move a 2750lbs car (RSX Type S). ...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It shouldn't take much. You can do it with the stock engine. I remember a couple years ago somebody on resource.crx.org ran a 15 (or 16, it was like .5 sec faster than car & driver did it) flat on a bone stock CRX Si. I think it was Composimo, but i am not sure. </TD></TR></TABLE>

From my other post.

-Dustin

 

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I agree. My 1st time at the track I ran a 15.111 @92 with my B17A1 (bone stock in a 90 STD hatch). BTW the B17A1 has 115,000 miles too.

 

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lol.

People don't realize how easy it is to get 120-125hp @ the wheels out of the a6. The swap craze has blinded the facts.

 

Stock My JDM D15b w/ bolt ons, puts out about 130 to the crank, which is about 115 to the wheels give or take 5 HP. Now 125 to the wheels from a d16a6 is not obtainable with out a good amount of head work. And I don't mean just a cam, w/ Bolton's. You need to P&P on a flow bench, shave at least 20 thousanths, and CC the combustion chambers. Along with a good cam, and an adjustable cam gear to accommodate for the meat that was taken off the bottom of the head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by azroth &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stock My JDM D15b w/ bolt ons, puts out about 130 to the crank, which is about 115 to the wheels give or take 5 HP. Now 125 to the wheels from a d16a6 is not obtainable with out a good amount of head work. And I don't mean just a cam, w/ Bolton's. You need to P&P on a flow bench, shave at least 20 thousanths, and CC the combustion chambers. Along with a good cam, and an adjustable cam gear to accommodate for the meat that was taken off the bottom of the head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would have to disagree, and only based on experience and what my dyno sheet told me.
i did have the car dyno'd, back in the day, like in 96, when the car basically has had the same daily driver set up as it does. From my memory (I can't find the actual printout) Lulu had 123hp/110tq. With a conservative 10% driveline loss that translates to ~150hp at the crank. I will dig up a link that has more stats, it was on Frank Lin's site. Also if you calculate based on weight/trap speed, it turns out to be 151hp- anyone got a link to that online horsepower calculator?

 

I don't know, a 1.6 pumping out close to 100hp/liter, and for being made back in 89 with 284k and making 39mpg. Aside from the mods you listed are you sure there isn't any engine work done. We'll believe 1/4 15.5 times, but for this low your going to have to bust out the vid camera of your track time runs including shots of the engine before I myself believe.

 

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I would have to disagree, and only based on experience and what my dyno sheet told me.
i did have the car dyno'd, back in the day, like in 96, when the car basically has had the same daily driver set up as it does. From my memory (I can't find the actual printout) Lulu had 123hp/110tq. With a conservative 10% driveline loss that translates to ~150hp at the crank. I will dig up a link that has more stats, it was on Frank Lin's site. Also if you calculate based on weight/trap speed, it turns out to be 151hp- anyone got a link to that online horsepower calculator?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you owned the motor for its entire life? I don’t even think a D16A6 factory freak can pull those types of numbers without work. And 150 at the crank is being very liberal with power estimates. A 15% driveline loss will more than likely be experienced. Do you think that there is any possibility that whoever owned the car before you, perhaps blew a head gasket and had to have the head shaved?

 

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Have you owned the motor for its entire life? I don’t even think a D16A6 factory freak can pull those types of numbers without work. And 150 at the crank is being very liberal with power estimates. A 15% driveline loss will more than likely be experienced. Do you think that there is any possibility that whoever owned the car before you, perhaps blew a head gasket and had to have the head shaved?</TD></TR></TABLE>


I am the sole owner of the car, and like I said, the motor has never been rebuilt. (I got the car for a HS grad present (shows what year I graduated from highschool, and how old I am). I'm not sure if the way I broke in the motor helped, I drove it like a Granny the first 2k miles, and didn't do any service to it until nearly 10k (which means that the break in oil was in there for a while.

Sorry, guys/gals, haven't had time to pull out fastest/quickest slip, but here is a slip from Famoso/Battle:

60ft - 2.341
330 - 6.364
1/8 - 9.745@72.53
1000 - 12.65
1/4 - 15.112@91.16

Now that slip was was with a shitty launch on 99 Si alloys/stock tires. I also pulled another run with a 2.297 60ft that same day, but mis-shifted 2nd to 3rd. That run could have been a low 15.0, possibly a ~14.99. And this was when the motor had over 268,000 miles.

Just to give you more history, I got Lulu brand new in 89, didn't start fixing her up until 1992, when I got my HKS exhaust and intake. I finally got my DC Fabrications header in 95, and my Gude cam in 96. No modifications have been made since, except for maintenance.

I have been bracket racing since 94 -this motor has well over 600 runs down the strip, so yes I have had lots of practice, and have learned how to drive my car. Lulul has over 50 trophies from Sacramento, Sears Point, Famoso, and Pomona.

I wish Lulu won the Wally, but I happened to be driving my EM1(has about 20 trophies, and over 300 runs, and explains why I hit a 15.52 SHOWROOM stock) that day - maybe this year will be here turn!




Modified by SmobbinSi at 9:59 PM 7/28/2003

 

Still waiting on timeslips....

Blaze

 

I don't think you guys understand how much an A6 can put out with a new cam. I totally believe that this guy can hit low 15's and high 14's with his setup. The stock A6 cam is VERY weak, the SOHC motor has TONS more potential with a more aggressive camshaft, and I/H/E'd. It's possible with a healthy motor.

 

My bad, i was thinking about the single cam vtec motor found in the EX civics.

 

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See what's funny is the cam I have isn't very agressive, it idles like stock, and you wouldn't even know I had a cam, until you seen my car run at the track

 

I see no reason why people are doubting the times. From my experience with my motor, A6 motors seem to be very responsive to mods. The 123hp/110tq numbers are very close to my numbers on a mild A6. Sounds to me that he just knows how to get the most out of his car. Experience speaks wonders.... but damn, you have one strong *** motor for the mileage and abuse its taken!

Here is my dyno chart showing very similar numbers to SmobbinSi's dyno numbers. Mods are: Shaved head .015", valve job, gasket matched ports, AEM short stick intake, DC 4-2-1 header, 2.5" exhaust, B&M FPR set to 40psi and 4 degrees advance timing, stock computer.

 

I believe him 100%. I've seen/heard of many a6's w/ cams (especially the gude "team cam") run low 15's just from that. My old bone stock a6 w/ exhaust put out 110whp.