I went to a racing shop with my friend to find out how much a swap would cost and the guy that worked there was saying putting a turbo on the stock engine is just as fast as b16 but i dont know which one i rather choose. What do you think would be better

 

I would do B16... more reliable and a great engine for future mods... such as a turbo!

 

i say d15 turbo...im pretty sure im faster than a b16 swap would be.

 

D15b vtec turbo. Search around..there is a guy on this board putting down 202 HP with this engine...should leave a few cars in the dust at half the price!

 

Eh...I don't think the D15 would be a good platform to work off of.

Granted, you may end up with a car which is faster than a stock swapped B16, but the reliability of the B16 will make it worth the money in the end.

 

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Granted, you may end up with a car which is faster than a stock swapped B16, but the reliability of the B16 will make it worth the money in the end.</TD></TR></TABLE>



And do a little work to the B16 and it will most likely kill a turbo d15.

 

Do a search for "eg6turbo"

I got this from his sig. I hope he doesn't mind:

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4/07/03 13.6 @ 102 MPH - 2.171 60ft time @ 8 PSI @ CMI ON STOCK TIRES
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I'd stick with the dirty-d!

I'm just kinda sick of the whole b16 EF deal.
The b16's a great motor but I think you'd have more fun with a turbo.

 

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hell yeah.. but what psi though

 

I'm a fan of D engine's all the way...however, the D16's versus B16 is a tough one. A D16 is cheap, and with work, is quite torquey, and powerful. A built, and turbocharged D15/D16 would possibly smoke a B16 when it is near stock. However, if you take that B16, and throw a few bolt ons, and god forbid, a turbo..then watch out. That B16 at 8 psi would be something to look out for. Imagine if they crank it up to 12+ psi....

In final, I'd go with B16 if you want overall power. If you want something that is quick...D all the way.

 

dont do the d15..it has a smaller crank journal....if you insist on staying sohc d..get a d16a6..there pretty tough engines and have bigger journal..get a si trans as it is stronger as well(from what Ive heard) as the input shaft or something is bigger than dx,lx trans

 

b16 it...once you turbo your old engine..thats all you can do...better start with a larger HIGHER platform

 

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...so you're saying that he'll never be able to do anything else just because he turboed the d15?

what about upgrading internals and prepping for more boost?

 

go with b16. that motor was supposed to be there. not d15 or d16. that motor is been home with that car since 88-91 from civic/crx. from japan and europe. but o'l USA never releas it here. just give that car the right motor. the one that is belongs to it's called b16a.

 

ok think about this, you can piece together a turbo kit for around 400 bucks , if you blow the motor , if can be replaced for like 300 bucks. If you get the b16, its gonna cost at least 2 thousand if you want it installed, then its more expensive to put together a turbo kit for it because you will need to get a larger size turbo, and a real turbo mani, not a hf for like 40 bucks. Then if you blow the motor, for the price to replace it you could get 2 turbo d series motors.

 

The B16 is more tunable with dual cams. Reliability... Less tuning worries with a B-series over a turbo setup for the D. It doesn't have the nagging distributor problems all the d series motors come with. Can you say VTEC? None of the 4 d series motors or the ZC I had in my CRX could even remotely compare to my B-series. Turbo charge a D is a waste of $$$

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91hatchcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok think about this, you can piece together a turbo kit for around 400 bucks , if you blow the motor , if can be replaced for like 300 bucks. If you get the b16, its gonna cost at least 2 thousand if you want it installed, then its more expensive to put together a turbo kit for it because you will need to get a larger size turbo, and a real turbo mani, not a hf for like 40 bucks. Then if you blow the motor, for the price to replace it you could get 2 turbo d series motors. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Call me crazy but I just don't love replacing motors, even if it IS cheap. I've got better things to be doing.

 

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Call me crazy but I just don't love replacing motors, even if it IS cheap. I've got better things to be doing. </TD></TR></TABLE>


haha i know but you get my point, if you blow the motor, you will be spending 200 bucks instead of 2 grand.

 

Heh, yeah, I hear ya

Gotta take the situation into account... I drive my car 7 days a week, over 700 miles per week. I just don't have time for downtime . If he's in the same situation then B16 is probably worth the cash!

However another thing to take into consideration is that B-series stuff is just getting more and more expensive... if everyone and their dog has a B-series then it's gonna be impossible to find replacements. Check the Drag forum; earl can't even find a replacement b-series cable transmission

So B is more reliable than turbo D, but it's harder to find parts (esp. trannies right now) and it's more expensive... however I don't think it's that much more expensive than a turbo setup done right

 

i have had a turbo for a while off and on. as far as reliability its the same as a NA engine.

Its all about knowing the limits of your engine.

I mean if i rev a stock b16 to 10 grand i will more inlikely float a valve, and if i boost 12 psi without proper fuel is gonna be a mess too.

A turbo d15 vtec (basically a d16z6, perpahps with a better R/S ratio) will beat most of the NA b16 with I/H/E i have done it on the streets and at the track.

a d16z6 woudl be another alternative instead of the b15 vtec and maybe easier to find.

 

turbo sol- What do you have to say about the d16z6? I've been considering putting a d16z6 turbo setup into my CRX.

 

i have had a turbo z6 in my del sol, then i wrecked it and got the CRX.

i build the z6 with LS rods, srp 9:1 pistons, str blockgaurd, and put it in my CRX. I havent got the turbo on the CRX yet, but from when i have it in the del sol, all i can say is.

It is great. I love it. boost is awsome, but you have to know what your engine can handle, just because you can crank the boost to 14 psi doesnt mean you should. be smart about it and research all you can and you will have alot of fun for a long time. My del sol had 198,000 on it when i took off the turbo and it still ran fine.

B16's are good engines, but unless you FI it, the d16 with Fi will be better than a NA b16

now thats my opinion and there are plenty of people who would disagree, so take it with a grain of salt i guess.

 

Alright, sounds good. I have done plenty of research on the d16z6 swap..but haven't heard from many owners of the engine, which is why I asked, thanks.


BTW- I just moved from Columbia, Missouri about 3 weeks ago...currently living in Tampa, Florida. Just thought it was cool to have a fellow Missourian on the boards...

 

check out http://www.homemadeturbo.com These guys have done so many turbo d15, d16, and b16, its worth checking out, lots of learning goes on there. as if this post will help anyone....o well, i try

 

well putting a **** load of nitrous on a stock motor would be just as fast as a b16 too....