high mile teg gs-r WHAT OIL?
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Re: (KillerWabbit)
Those stories about synthetic eating seals are baloney.
If you want the advantages of synthetic oil (better flow characteristics when cold, greater resistance to breakdown when hot) and you don't mind paying more for it, then get full synthetic like Mobil 1. ($23.xx/case of 6 quarts at Sam's or Costco, $18.88/jug of 5 quarts at Wal-Mart) Otherwise, use conventional oil.
I would stick with the viscosity recommended in your owner's manual, which means 5W30.
I use Mobil 1 5W30 in my high-mileage '94 GS-R.
If you want the advantages of synthetic oil (better flow characteristics when cold, greater resistance to breakdown when hot) and you don't mind paying more for it, then get full synthetic like Mobil 1. ($23.xx/case of 6 quarts at Sam's or Costco, $18.88/jug of 5 quarts at Wal-Mart) Otherwise, use conventional oil.
I would stick with the viscosity recommended in your owner's manual, which means 5W30.
I use Mobil 1 5W30 in my high-mileage '94 GS-R.
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Re: (nsxtasy)
Yeah, they don't eat seals. The leaks they sometimes cause are because they don't soak into seaks and cause them to swell. Conventional oils cause the seals to swell slightly and seal better. Switching back from conventional to synthetic can cause some seals to relax and allow some leakage..
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Re: high mile teg gs-r WHAT OIL? (domepizzle)
Most important thing for you to do is make sure you check your oil alot...I bought a gsr with high milage and I didn't realize that it was eating oil...until I was 2 quarts to low...going to have to do an engine build now if I want to keep driving the hell out of it
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Re: (P1mpSlap)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P1mpSlap »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Synthetic will eat the seals in your motor, due to the detergents, if you have high milage.
Go with just plain old 5w30 or 10w30. Lately I've been using Mobil Drive Clean. No complaints yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Go with just plain old 5w30 or 10w30. Lately I've been using Mobil Drive Clean. No complaints yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: high mile teg gs-r WHAT OIL? (omekone)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omekone »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just got her today, im gona do a oil change. should i go with dino oil, or synthec? and what brand and weight
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Not to be hatin' or to hijack the thread but, how do all you guys KNOW
which oils "work" and "which "don't"?
I'm just curious.
I remember back in the day being very concerned about "which" oil to use,
and ALL the mechanics I asked ALWAYS said the same thing.
Oil is oil is oil. Use which ever brand and viscosity Honda recommends, buy it when it's on sale.
Anything more expensive than that is a waste of money.
Any opinions?
Bring on the flames. haha
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Not to be hatin' or to hijack the thread but, how do all you guys KNOW
which oils "work" and "which "don't"?
I'm just curious.
I remember back in the day being very concerned about "which" oil to use,
and ALL the mechanics I asked ALWAYS said the same thing.
Oil is oil is oil. Use which ever brand and viscosity Honda recommends, buy it when it's on sale.
Anything more expensive than that is a waste of money.
Any opinions?
Bring on the flames. haha
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mostly everyone has stated their opinion based on personal experience... just like those mechanics you mentioned have their opinions. you dont seem to have your own opinion, so i dont see a reason to bother posting on this topic.
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Re: (KillerWabbit)
Ahhhh OK, and your point about oil is?
It seems YOU ARE the one without an opinion.
Couldn't find an opinion anywhere in your worthless, critical post.
It seems that you are more guilty of posting useless opinions than I am.
I at least posted about oil. Not someones "non-opinion about oil"
In case you Missed it, my OPINION IS: oil is oil is oil.
Use what Honda Recommends. That's WHY I posted. To give that unpopular idea a "voice". Why did you?
And THEN, I asked for some/any verification that anything "better" or more expensive is justified.
How do you "know" if your expensive oil is worth the price you pay?
What are your opinions on oil for high mileage cars? Or oil in general?
Do you have any or do you just like to criticise people for no reason?
I found this link to be informative. http://www.pecuniary.com/faq/m....html
Modified by 4crx4me at 7:26 PM 7/25/2003
It seems YOU ARE the one without an opinion.
Couldn't find an opinion anywhere in your worthless, critical post.
It seems that you are more guilty of posting useless opinions than I am.
I at least posted about oil. Not someones "non-opinion about oil"
In case you Missed it, my OPINION IS: oil is oil is oil.
Use what Honda Recommends. That's WHY I posted. To give that unpopular idea a "voice". Why did you?
And THEN, I asked for some/any verification that anything "better" or more expensive is justified.
How do you "know" if your expensive oil is worth the price you pay?
What are your opinions on oil for high mileage cars? Or oil in general?
Do you have any or do you just like to criticise people for no reason?
I found this link to be informative. http://www.pecuniary.com/faq/m....html
Modified by 4crx4me at 7:26 PM 7/25/2003
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use honda oil or mobil...mobil manufactures a specified oil for honda. they will recommend 5w-30. but i would go a little heavier, maybe 10w-30. a little thicker because your rings and seals start to thin out with age.
and yes, oil is oil is oil. if all you want to do is keep the metal from rubbing. but some oils are better than others, same with gasoline. its the additives that each respective company uses to make their product different. my father has worked in the oil industry for 30 years and was on the research and development team for texaco for a number of years(remember system3 gasoline from texaco?). he now is the vp of a smaller private oil company called sinclair oil. regardless i have absorbed alot of the knowledge he has shared with me and i can tell you that many oils are different, even if the companies have merged together. and in my opinion, stick with what the manufacture uses...in your case, honda oil. semi-synthetic and synthetic oils are not as good for an older motor. they have to be used from the beginning of the motors life. the key is to use a good filter(honda, wix are my preference) and to change it frequently, depending on your driving. i do a lot of hard driving and in the mountains, so i change about 2000-2500 miles. plus, its burnt some oil by that time.
and yes, oil is oil is oil. if all you want to do is keep the metal from rubbing. but some oils are better than others, same with gasoline. its the additives that each respective company uses to make their product different. my father has worked in the oil industry for 30 years and was on the research and development team for texaco for a number of years(remember system3 gasoline from texaco?). he now is the vp of a smaller private oil company called sinclair oil. regardless i have absorbed alot of the knowledge he has shared with me and i can tell you that many oils are different, even if the companies have merged together. and in my opinion, stick with what the manufacture uses...in your case, honda oil. semi-synthetic and synthetic oils are not as good for an older motor. they have to be used from the beginning of the motors life. the key is to use a good filter(honda, wix are my preference) and to change it frequently, depending on your driving. i do a lot of hard driving and in the mountains, so i change about 2000-2500 miles. plus, its burnt some oil by that time.
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Re: (texnteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by texnteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">semi-synthetic and synthetic oils are not as good for an older motor. they have to be used from the beginning of the motors life.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Absolutely not true.
Absolutely not true.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4crx4me »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I asked for some/any verification that anything "better" or more expensive is justified.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As I stated earlier, synthetic oil flows better when cold, and is more resistant to breakdown when hot.
Here is more detail, as noted on the Mobil 1 website:
Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ helps provide significant advantages over conventional motor oils, such as:
Anti-Wear
- Superior protection under heavy engine loads/stresses, such as hauling and towing.
- Minimizing oil degradation.
All-Temperature
- Faster lubrication at start-up in low temperatures.
- Superior protection at high temperatures.
- Superior resistance to thermal breakdown.
Engine Cleanliness
- Superior protection against harmful deposits.
- Cleaner running engines.
Engine Efficiency
- Greater resistance to oil oxidation (thickening).
- Lower oil consumption under high-speed conditions.
- Optimizing engine efficiency.
The ONLY disadvantage to synthetic oil is that it costs more. If you don't think it's worth more, fine - don't get it. But it is measurably superior in these areas.
As I stated earlier, synthetic oil flows better when cold, and is more resistant to breakdown when hot.
Here is more detail, as noted on the Mobil 1 website:
Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ helps provide significant advantages over conventional motor oils, such as:
Anti-Wear
- Superior protection under heavy engine loads/stresses, such as hauling and towing.
- Minimizing oil degradation.
All-Temperature
- Faster lubrication at start-up in low temperatures.
- Superior protection at high temperatures.
- Superior resistance to thermal breakdown.
Engine Cleanliness
- Superior protection against harmful deposits.
- Cleaner running engines.
Engine Efficiency
- Greater resistance to oil oxidation (thickening).
- Lower oil consumption under high-speed conditions.
- Optimizing engine efficiency.
The ONLY disadvantage to synthetic oil is that it costs more. If you don't think it's worth more, fine - don't get it. But it is measurably superior in these areas.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
As I stated earlier, synthetic oil flows better when cold, and is more resistant to breakdown when hot.
I don't mean to sound argumentative, but isn't how an oil flows when cold, dependent on viscosity? Not whether it's make up is synthetic or not.? The first # in it's rating is cold viscosity and the 2nd is hot. Isn't that correct?
The ONLY disadvantage to synthetic oil is that it costs more. If you don't think it's worth more, fine - don't get it. But it is measurably superior in these areas.
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As I stated earlier, synthetic oil flows better when cold, and is more resistant to breakdown when hot.
I don't mean to sound argumentative, but isn't how an oil flows when cold, dependent on viscosity? Not whether it's make up is synthetic or not.? The first # in it's rating is cold viscosity and the 2nd is hot. Isn't that correct?
The ONLY disadvantage to synthetic oil is that it costs more. If you don't think it's worth more, fine - don't get it. But it is measurably superior in these areas.
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Re: (4crx4me)
i'm sorry, i meant semi-synthetic. they really don't do a damned thing. i don't know why i had synthetic stuck in my head. hell, my uncle has been using mobil 1 in his 84 mercedes 500sec since it was new and he was over 300k miles and not a problem at all...no leaks, no burning, etc. i think mobil 1 syn. has been around since the early 70's.
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ok, if you have a highmileage engine stear clear of sythenic oils...the synthetic oils tend to have a less sealing capacity...esp around your valve seals....sythetic will leak! but if you have a rebuilt or lower mileage engine a sythetic oil is a better alternative for many reasons....way to many to list thats for sure...but if you want to know more check out Bobstheoilguy.com....explains everything...and youll understand the breakdown of oils and diffrences in blends and grades of oil....and who said oil is oil knows nothing! except about turning a wrench! and maybe not even that!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">........and who said oil is oil knows nothing! except about turning a wrench! and maybe not even that!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ah haha good one y0, you got that off.
Yeh, I remember my 1st beer.
Ah haha
good one y0, you got that off.Yeh, I remember my 1st beer.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you have a highmileage engine stear clear of sythenic oils...the synthetic oils tend to have a less sealing capacity...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Absolutely not true.
From the Mobil 1 website:
MYTH: Mobil 1 will leak out of the seals of older cars.
REALITY: Mobil 1 does not cause leaks. In fact, new Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ was tested in dozens of industry standard and OEM tests to prove its seal performance. It is fully compatible with the elastomeric materials from which all automotive seals and gaskets are made.
ExxonMobil engineers are wary of conventional oils that tout their use of additional seal-swelling agents. With extended use, these agents can over-soften engine seals, resulting in leaks. More to the point, an oil additive will not rejuvenate worn or damaged seals. The damaged seal may have been caused by a worn rotating metal component in the engine.
If an older engine is in good condition and does not have oil leaks, Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ provides the same advantages as when used in a new engine. ExxonMobil recommends taking measures to repair the leaks, then using Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™. ExxonMobil also always recommends following the automobile manufacturer's manual for the proper oil to use.
Absolutely not true.
From the Mobil 1 website:
MYTH: Mobil 1 will leak out of the seals of older cars.
REALITY: Mobil 1 does not cause leaks. In fact, new Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ was tested in dozens of industry standard and OEM tests to prove its seal performance. It is fully compatible with the elastomeric materials from which all automotive seals and gaskets are made.
ExxonMobil engineers are wary of conventional oils that tout their use of additional seal-swelling agents. With extended use, these agents can over-soften engine seals, resulting in leaks. More to the point, an oil additive will not rejuvenate worn or damaged seals. The damaged seal may have been caused by a worn rotating metal component in the engine.
If an older engine is in good condition and does not have oil leaks, Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™ provides the same advantages as when used in a new engine. ExxonMobil recommends taking measures to repair the leaks, then using Mobil 1 with SuperSyn™. ExxonMobil also always recommends following the automobile manufacturer's manual for the proper oil to use.